Back emf from a bucking coil used to get resonance in a bifilar coil

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Evostars posted this 09 July 2017

Hi,

Did anybody here, look into the back emf of a partnered (bucking) coil?

I'm researching the bifilar pancake coil as described in tesla's patent 512340. I find it's huge voltage rise at its resonant frequency intriguing.

To get the coil into resonance, I want to use back emf. because I believe these are the impulse currents used by Tesla. And it just makes sense.

But to use the back emf from a normal coil, creates a impedance matching problem, that results in a bad power transfer to the bifilacr coil, due to the high impedance of the b emf coil (source) and the low impedance of the bifilar coil.

Bucking coils, Or partnered coils, have a very low impedance due to the inductance canceling out. But they still produce a strong Back emf pulse.

I've tried this as shown in the attachment. The IGBT is a 12V powered switch that is controlled by a pulse generator. The bucking coil, is charged, and then opened up, releasing its stored field energy into the bifilar coil, with a single wire. And It works. The pulse stays strong while the resonant sine wave the resonant bifilar coil is high in voltage.

This however is not ideal. The bucking coil stays connected at one end to the igbt circuit. Ideal would be a double switch, but for now, this is what I have.

The whole Idea, is to create, high voltage pulses, to get the resonant sine wave high in voltage.
I then rectify the standing wave, into a capacitor.

I want to find out, if the resonant voltage is high enough, if there is a gain, from the back emf pulses, to the resonant sine wave's energy.

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Evostars posted this 09 July 2017

Not shown in the picture, the resonant coil is grounded at one end if i remember correct, via the center connection.

the coils I use, are made from rolled up speaker wire. so, its a little differnt then with a tesla design coil. The dielectric field is now inbetween the two parallel windings.

The center hole is phi ratio to the winding area.

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Evostars posted this 09 July 2017 - Last edited 09 July 2017

These are my videos about the bifilar coil, it explains more about the magnetic and dielectric field, and I show a experiment, where the 180 degrees out of phase staning waves of the resonant coils produce 950Vdc.

there are more vids, for who is interested, look them up.

I've had bad experiences on other forums, until I found a corner at open-source-energy.org There I work together with Matt Watts (dog-one) to find out how the radiant energy apparatus of Nelsen Rocha work.

here is one of his videos that i find amazing, it shows his radinat box, with bifilar coils, Driven by 2x 12V batteries. a 400W motor is working, and... the batteries are charging. As far as I understand, the black container is full of capacitors, and the DC voltage from there is transformed into a 3 phase ac signal by the gray box, into the motor.

Where do you go, when you want to know about bucking coils? Here!

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Chris posted this 10 July 2017 - Last edited 10 July 2017

Hi Evostars - Welcome!

I did look at this some years back. The JLN Labs experiments were very promising. Meters did measure Above Unity. But the one problem I saw was the very high frequency.

I have been caught several times, measuring High Frequency with a Digital Multi Meter is not always an accurate Measurement. One has to be very careful.

In saying this, no one proved or disproved any error that I know of.

Thanks for sharing! This is excellent!

Chris

Zanzal posted this 10 July 2017

Very interesting setup, I am looking forward to hearing more about your research. Have you had any successes with using the output to power a load?

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alohalaoha posted this 11 July 2017

Successful experiment of professor Nenad Savitch with bucking-bifilar coils. Savitch has gave data; Input power 300Wt, Output power 2,15KWt, COP=3

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Evostars posted this 12 July 2017

Hi Evostars - Welcome!

I did look at this some years back. The JLN Labs experiments were very promising. Meters did measure Above Unity. But the one problem I saw was the very high frequency.

I have been caught several times, measuring High Frequency with a Digital Multi Meter is not always an accurate Measurement. One has to be very careful.

In saying this, no one proved or disproved any error that I know of.

Thanks for sharing! This is excellent!

Thanks Chris,

Actually high frequency is what I need... my coils resonate around 600khz so i'll look into that.

I didn't get a notification email of the new posts, good i checked in.

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Evostars posted this 12 July 2017

Very interesting setup, I am looking forward to hearing more about your research. Have you had any successes with using the output to power a load?

Not yet powered a load. Im still looking for high voltage pulses to get the coils into a much higher resonant voltage rise Sine.

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Evostars posted this 12 July 2017

Successful experiment of professor Nenad Savitch with bucking-bifilar coils. Savitch has gave data; Input power 300Wt, Output power 2,15KWt, COP=3

Interesting. I wonder how his setup is. Is there more tech info?

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Evostars posted this 12 July 2017 - Last edited 13 July 2017

Today I worked with my bucking coil again. Its wound around a toroid. The 2 bucking windings, are equally spaced (2 gaps). around 3m of 0.3mm wire.

I fixated the bucking coil, with tape, and wound a primary of 1m 0.3mm wire around one of the windings of the bucking coil.

I grounded the center tap of the bucking coil.

The primary is pulsed with my IGBT 12V. I used my pulse generator around 90khz. into the primary coil. to induce the toroid.

The back emf of the toroid showed up as high voltage spikes in at the endings of the bucking coil. around 375 to 550 V (but I want them much higher like 20kV need a different power supply for that with more current).

The pulses are in phase. So first I thought I could not use them with a bifilar coil. Then I tried connecting the bifilar coil in bucking mode. And it worked.[edit: bifilar was Not in bucking mode! but normal tesla bifilar]

I could get a bifilar coil into resonance. but there were 2 problems.

The resonant frequency of the bucking toroid needs to be higher, so it gives 2 pulses without a fading ringing.
The other problem was, that to tune the resonant frequency down of the bifilar coil, i needed to add a capacitor(56opF) in parallel with the coil. this dimmed the resonant voltage rise down to around 80V at 270khz. and 75V at 165khz. (because the capacitance needs to be in between the windings, not in a external capacitor).

But ... It works. The trick is the impedance of the bucking coil is very low due to the low inductance. This makes it great for power transfer into a bifilar coil. But... as the bifilar coil also is in bucking mode... both are low impedance.

The goal is to get the hv pulses into more than 10kV, and at a high enough frequency for the bifilar coil to resonate, while at the same time, tuning down the resonant frequency of the bifilar coil, without losing to much of the resonant voltage rise.

more voltage= more power. higher frequency=more power. In the end, I rectify the High frequency high voltage back to DC voltage into a capacitor bank, to be used (converted into 50/60Hz AC if needed).

Also. one nice gimmick. normally I see a magnetic field with my compass at the resonant frequency. Now it didnt show up. Thats a good thing, I believe the magnetic field is the loss of the dielectric field potential (Steinmetz).

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Zanzal posted this 12 July 2017

The resonant frequency of the bucking toroid needs to be higher, so it gives 2 pulses without a fading ringing.
The other problem was, that to tune the resonant frequency down of the bifilar coil, i needed to add a capacitor(56opF) in parallel with the coil. this dimmed the resonant voltage rise down to around 80V at 270khz. and 75V at 165khz. (because the capacitance needs to be in between the windings, not in a external capacitor).

Early on when I was working on the JackNoSkills replication, I also encountered multiple rings at equal amplitude (when measuring open output voltage) sometimes as many as 3-4. it did seem a little odd that it should ring at the same amplitude multiple times before degrading. In my case the number of rings would vary by duty cycle and the frequencies I was using were much lower (<10kHz). The duty cycle had to be just right, too high or too low and it wouldn't happen.

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Evostars posted this 13 July 2017

The resonant frequency of the bucking toroid needs to be higher, so it gives 2 pulses without a fading ringing.
The other problem was, that to tune the resonant frequency down of the bifilar coil, i needed to add a capacitor(56opF) in parallel with the coil. this dimmed the resonant voltage rise down to around 80V at 270khz. and 75V at 165khz. (because the capacitance needs to be in between the windings, not in a external capacitor).

Early on when I was working on the JackNoSkills replication, I also encountered multiple rings at equal amplitude (when measuring open output voltage) sometimes as many as 3-4. it did seem a little odd that it should ring at the same amplitude multiple times before degrading. In my case the number of rings would vary by duty cycle and the frequencies I was using were much lower (<10kHz). The duty cycle had to be just right, too high or too low and it wouldn't happen.

That sounds as if you where exactly at 1/4th of the main resonant frequency.

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alohalaoha posted this 13 July 2017 - Last edited 13 July 2017

Successful experiment of professor Nenad Savitch with bucking-bifilar coils. Savitch has gave data; Input power 300Wt, Output power 2,15KWt, COP=3

Interesting. I wonder how his setup is. Is there more tech info?

Hi Evostars,

No, he didnt gave any technical details in public at youtube, probably fear for his life and life of his family due to menace by serbian state-democrats mafia. If he will reveal all tech details soon, probably no one man/woman in serbia will not pay electricity bill anymore. End of serbian state-mafia.

P.S.

I think Savitch device principle was based on MR.PREVA CONCEPT and CHRIS-SWEET explanations about partnered-bucking coils configurationas as the main source of Scalar Magnetic Fields both polarities Hsc- and HSC+ , in static=non motion and dynamic= motion conditions.

Aloha

Evostars posted this 13 July 2017

I stated an error.

I thought thebe emf pulses of the bucking coil went into a bucking bifilar coil. But It was a normal bifilar telsa coil setup.

This is odd. because, I Pulse the coil at both ends with 2 positive pulses. and still there is a resonant voltage rise.

I also tried pulsing the center coil, and measuring the top and bottom coil as one series connected resonant coil. with the same added capacitance of 7nF parallel over the series connected coils, the resonant frequency was lower at 91khz and the voltage rise was bigger at 275V. earlier with the center coil as resonant, with 7nF the resonat frequency was around 165khz and 75V.

pretty big difference.

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alohalaoha posted this 13 July 2017

Evostars translate and read attached file DEMON TESLA where author was experimentally comprehend his way in achieving UNIDIRECTIONAL INDUCTIVE COUPLING with examples how to increase Q-factor or his bifilar-coils against low input impendance.

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Evostars posted this 13 July 2017

Successful experiment of professor Nenad Savitch with bucking-bifilar coils. Savitch has gave data; Input power 300Wt, Output power 2,15KWt, COP=3

Interesting. I wonder how his setup is. Is there more tech info?

Hi Evostars,

No, he didnt gave any technical details in public at youtube, probably fear for his life and life of his family due to menaces by serbian state-democrats mafia. If he will reveal all tech details probably nod one man, woman in serbia will not pay electricity bill anymore. End of state-mafia.

I think Savitch device was based on MR.PREVA CONCEPT and CHRIS-SWEET EXPLANATIONS about partnered-bucking coils configurationas the main source of Scalar Magnetic Fields bot polarity Hsc- and HSC+ , in static=non moving and dynamic= moving conditions,

Aloha

Living in fear. that has to end.

I think the bifilar coil at the right conditions does something with lenz law. as it becomes a pure resistor, with the reactance in phase, where the impedance becomes the resistance of the wire.

but I sense there is even more going on.

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alohalaoha posted this 13 July 2017 - Last edited 13 July 2017

Evostars, be more specific when talking about bifilar coils, to easy understanding for researchers here. They are only 2 known configurations of it. Tesla BIFILAR, in pancake or non pancake configuration and Hooper bifilar configuration. Second one is almost non-inductive.

Examine bifilar partnered schematics in MR.PREVA thread. Lot of interesting stuffs coud be found there.

I forget to say will be extremely helpfulif if you may research asymmetric configuration behaviour of your setup like in MR.PREVA original design, where one of windings cw or ccw has much winding turns other 11:7 ratio.

IT COULD HELP US A LOTT.

One more hint from me. According to real german scientist Dr. Ing Constantin Meyl, there is a SCALAR ENERGY TRANSFER AT SCALAR RESONANT FREQUENCY EXACTLY 3.14159/2 times resonant frequency of Tesla BIFILAR transmitting coil. Receiving coil should be the same wound like transmitting, just flip him to 180 electrical degress to work like Scalar receiver in anti-phase. These are experimental evidences from Meyl.

Best wishes and good luck in overunity research

Aloha

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alohalaoha posted this 13 July 2017 - Last edited 13 July 2017

I just remembered Tesla way to increase Q-FACTOR of his bifilar coils. Simply he had made positive feedbeck from output to input of his bifilars. Floys Sparky in his VTA also used same Tesla concept. Examine VTA hooper bifilars configuration to see how he done it introducing geometrical phase-shift at 90 degrees. It means all bifilar-hooper coils work in quadrature like for example in QEG generator.

THIS WORK EXACTLY like in CARL LINDE famous experiment of making fluidity of air.

Aloha

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Evostars posted this 13 July 2017

Evostars translate and read attached file DEMON TESLA where author was experimentally comprehend his way in achieving UNIDIRECTIONAL INDUCTIVE COUPLING with examples how to increase Q-factor or his bifilar-coils against low input impendance.

Thanks for sharing. I tried google translate on the document, and it works pretty well. didnt know it worked that well

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Evostars posted this 13 July 2017

Evostars, be more specific when talking about bifilar coils, to easy understanding for researchers here. They are only 2 known configurations of it. Tesla BIFILAR, in pancake or non pancake configuration and Hooper bifilar configuration. Second one is almost non-inductive.

Examine bifilar partnered schematics in MR.PREVA thread. Lot of interesting stuffs coud be found there.

I use the Tesla bifilar coil in all cases. The hooper bifilar is what i would call a non inductive bucking bifilar

I forget to say will be extremely helpfulif if you may research asymmetric configuration behaviour of your setup like in MR.PREVA original design, where one of windings cw or ccw has much winding turns other 11:7 ratio.

IT COULD HELP US A LOTT.

Thx. (a link to mr preva? im still getting used to this forum layout) i did an assymetric test once, 1:2 and the resonant voltage was much bigger. very strange.

One more hint from me. According to real german scientist Dr. Ing Constantin Meyl, there is a SCALAR ENERGY TRANSFER AT SCALAR RESONANT FREQUENCY EXACTLY 3.14159/2 times resonant frequency of Tesla BIFILAR transmitting coil. Receiving coil should be the same wound like transmitting, just flip him to 180 electrical degress to work like Scalar receiver in anti-phase. These are experimental evidences from Meyl.

I know the works of Meyl. and am reading them now. very interesting (ring vortex longitudinal). But he doesn't use a bifilar for transmitting. He uses a unifilar tesla coil with an external capacitance (or do you have a link to the bifilar experiment?). I tried it with a bifilar coil, but due to the capacitance being between the windings, it doesn't work. Or it works different.

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Evostars posted this 13 July 2017

I just remembered Tesla way to increase Q-FACTOR of his bifilar coils. Simply he had made positive feedbeck from output to input of his bifilars. Floys Sparky in his VTA also used same Tesla concept. Examine VTA hooper bifilars configuration to see how he done it introducing geometrical phase-shift at 90 degrees. It means all bifilar-hooper coils work in quadrature like for example in QEG generator.

THIS WORK EXACTLY like in CARL LINDE famous experiment of making fluidity of air.

Aloha

Thank you for sharing Alohalaoha,

carl linde method is an exact analog to a bifilar coil. the output of the first cooling coil, is going into the second cooling coil that is parallel to the first cooling coil, in effect this second coil cools the first coil. and this results in a faster cooling process.

I don't know about those qeg and vta stuff. I never seen proper information, outside of experiments. so I'm mostly working on my own findings. Others work is mostly confusing and distracting to me. Like Don smiths devices. very confusing.
Eric Dollard makes sense to me to a certain level, and Nelson Rocha shows me it can be doen (but how?).

I think its good to share, but I like to stick to my own research, as that is already overwhelming me.

The quadrature concept is something I want to work out. transverse electro magnetic and longitudinal magneto dielectric.

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Evostars posted this 13 July 2017

this is not a reply. just new info.

I rebuild my bucking toroid. i placed the primary symmetric. this now gives equal pulses at the ends of the bucking coil.

this time there is only a very small resonant voltage. the earlier sine wave rise was due to the differnce in voltage of the 2 pulses.

So it doesnt work this way

back to the drawing board

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Zanzal posted this 26 July 2017

I have been one of your YT subscribers from prior to you joining the forum and I hope you continue to share your discoveries. I can relate to your comments about other experiments being distracting. For me its a matter of so many ideas I'd like to try and such limited time. If I am thinking about one project, I am neglecting another.

I think you are on the right track focusing on just the technology you are fascinated with. This subject is like untying the Gordian knot. It matters not how you accomplish the task. There is no singular path to acquiring the knowledge, whether it be through experimentation or collaboration.

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Chris posted this 26 July 2017

Nice Thread guys! Very productive!

@Zanzal - I agree: "If I am thinking about one project, I am neglecting another"

I would have said the same some years back. But, now, I know that many roads lead to Rome!

Meaning as long as something is being learned, then the project itself matter not so much!

The basic underlying concepts are the same, all the same, and most devices reach working state through manymethods, but all methods use the same Concepts.

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Evostars posted this 31 July 2017

there have been more idea's offered to me. that are interesting, but I always wonder why not find out yourself? try and experiment. I do like the inpiration, it shows interest and I love attention

for the videos, I want to make more. but only if I properly understand what is going on. and can explain it in simple words. Or it should be interesting at least. I have had plans for videos but... experimenting came first.

I found out some interesting properties that i am fine tuning now. need some more parts.

I still want to make a series. more short videos of 5 minutes (as that seems to be the average concentration time span on youtube).

Here is a sneak peak: the resonant voltage rise frequency of a bifilar coil can be tuned by adding a parallel capacitor.

the voltage rise is dependent on the parallel capacitor...

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Chris posted this 31 July 2017

I agree Evostars, its always nice to understand what we are looking at, with Science that agrees with the basic configuration.

Excellent work, and great ideas on how to progress! I really enjoy seeing this stuff progress!

Chris

P.S: I have seen your moto:

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Just cant think where...

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Evostars posted this 31 July 2017

I dont know where i got it from Chris, but it so obvious.

the car is twice as old as the computer (or something like that). the computer has evolved so far its insane what we have now.

the car is around longer. and yes it has evolved ... but... has it really? it still needs fuel... man it should be able to fly to the moon around now.

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Chris posted this 31 July 2017 - Last edited 31 July 2017

Hey Evostars - Completely agree! I have worked IT for 20 odd years. Different areas.

In early 1900's, and before, late 1800's, we, the world had Electric Cars! Zink Sulfide Batteries I believe and they had a damn good range for the day - Did anyone here know that?

We live in an Engineered World, and yes, we should be Space Traveling Race now.

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Wistiti posted this 01 August 2017

Take a look to the movie "Who kill the electric car" ......

As usual; follows the money and you will see who take the benefit of it.....

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Evostars posted this 02 August 2017

Yes indeed they had electric cars around 1900. A french car company, that is well known today, I believe Peugeot, also had electric cars around then. Amazing.

A Little bit more on that sneak peak:

I found out there is a maximum voltage rise when the right size of parallel capacitor is choosen, with a bifilar coil. Today I placed a compass near it, and it showed a very strong magnetic field. strong, because my coils have a large center hole, weakening the magnetic field. Also the current of the powersupply used to pulse the primary coil, went way up.

I think thats rather special.

This link has a very interesting article that might explain it:

http://www.accelinstruments.com/Applications/WaveformAmp/Magnetic-Field-Generator.html?gclid=CjwKEAjw7uKwBRDUlJvRo-z6rgMSJACbmSBhrSA3xhc4rJGpqeWKktAWrnnpCUi3SvSSBor0rStvrxoCIGzw_wcB

As the bifilar coil acts like a series resonant circuit, by having large capacitance between the windings, Adding a parallel capacitor might turn it into the series parallel resonant circuit from the article. Doubling the current, because both capacitances are in phase, and add up there voltages, which results in double the magnetic field.

I was rather suprised to see how strong the field was, simply by adding a 10nF parallel capacitor (10nF gave the biggest resonant voltage rise).

resonant parallel series

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I dont want to drag people away from here, but I want to share my findings. Today I made it open to the world, not only to members of that forum. So if you are interested, here you can find my work and thoughts and experiments.

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alohalaoha posted this 02 August 2017 - Last edited 02 August 2017

In early 1900's, and before, late 1800's, we, the world had Electric Cars! Zink Sulfide Batteries I believe and they had a damn good range for the day - Did anyone here know that?

Chris

I didnt knew about electric cars in France in 19 century but i have heard about electric trains in nobody known state The Grande Tartaria before 1800 years. Some force had hardly nuked that state and ereased all informations about his existence in memories of mankind. WHO ARE THEY ? DARK FORCES OF UNIVERSE OR DARK GODS OF REALM ? IN ANY CASE HELL FORCE FOR HUMANKIND.!!!!

More interesting info here ......

Watch this old film known as The hydrogen lieutenant

this is an old documentary film about the Russian inventor leutenant of Red-army Boris Shelishche, who had in September 1941 in besieged Leningrad in just 10 days realized his own hydrogen project - transferred 200 heavy trucks from gasoline to hydrogen. This allowed Red army to protect the city in conditions of shortage of gasoline, lifting balloons to the sky to block long range fascist's bombers.

Thus, the invention of a young lieutenant of the air defense forces ensured the domestic priority in this area, since Experiments on the use of hydrogen as an alternative fuel in the United States began only in 1969, some 30 years later.

alohalaoha posted this 02 August 2017 - Last edited 02 August 2017

Hi Evostars

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TESLETIC posted this 30 March 2018 - Last edited 30 March 2018

I remember 3 years ago (Gegene) I was winding these coils like Master Ivo is explaining now !!! How could I know this certenly not from Steinmets or Tesla LLLLOOOOOLLLL ...only difference now we do not have to do it with a cooker board as we can do it now controlled pulse DC generator and make a self runner at least and yes Igors video was and is still valid so he should just fine tune it and not us the cooker setup because its fixed settings ! ...again very exited as we were are again on the right track ! ; ) will post findings ASAP !

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TESLETIC posted this 04 April 2018 - Last edited 04 April 2018

WOW Almost forgot about this test ! Although Igor himself say not OU ! I see it different if the batteries ar dropping a few watts per hour but 70 of load is running them means to me the energy has to come from somewhere ! NOT !? This means you could run an electric bike for example very efficient for a long time !? Please replicate the test !

Isn't the same principle what ReGenXis doing but then with a magnet motor but in my opinion not needed if you see what is happening in Igors test !?

TESLETIC posted this 09 April 2018 - Last edited 09 April 2018

Has anybody got some more info on this !?

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