Experiments Discussions

Fringe look at a complete core input coil and impulse pressure waves

2024-06-21T11:17:24.8100000

Hey everyone,

So my experiments for the study of the A Vector Potential, Fringe look at the A Vector Potential and rotating magnetic fields, are on hold for a bit while I acquire a few things and build a coil winding rig. It's well planned, I just need some time to make it happen.

In the meantime, I thought I could look into a few other relevant ideas. The input coil arrangement, and impulse discharges like that of a spark gap. Both of these ideas come from this part of this thread here, where Chris shows the output coils combined with the push pull input and GDT (gas discharge tube), and asks about what would happen if he wound a 7 turn input coil on the outside of the POC coil arrangement. And I am assuming Chris you mean on the outside around both output coils at the same time.

Originally here: Chris's Non-Inductive Coil Experiment

Continued a bit here: Partnered Output Coils

Wrapping the input coil around both output coils has been used before by many, for example Don Smith.

This is interesting to me because, to me, having the input coil wrapped around only one POC seems unbalanced. Though I could be wrong. And there seemed to be quite a fight against the input during the regauge period which I believe can be minimized by arranging the input coil differently. Again, I could be wrong. Experiments will help clarify this for me.

The impulse discharge input has been used by many. Tesla, Tariel Kapanadze, etc. The disruptive nature of it is interesting, and for example the harmonics involved. I can't help but think this would be a good way to regauge the system.

Ok, so this is what I have so far..

The coils each have 3 layers of 16 turns = 48 turns of 0.4 mm speaker wire (copper itself is about 3mm).

The core is an AMCC800B.

The input coil will be roughly 12 turns of the same wire, as I intend to put a bit of focus on ¼ wavelength, near field, all of that good stuff. It will be wrapped around the whole core, both coils at the same time, like in the Don Smith picture.

I'll mess around with only pulses and push pull input at first, and then move on the GDT and possibly even a real spark gap.

So we know that POC coils provide us a way to apply a steady pressure on the electrons, to get them free/moving and accelerate them, pumping current, while also giving us a way to collect that energy. Or rather we are creating a condition to have nature do this process for us, we just set it in motion and collect the output.

So if I'm not mistaken, the next step would be to figure out a way to really knock a lot of electrons loose so we can really get some good action going. High magnetic fields, maybe some sharp jabs to the electrons. Hopefully these experiments, alongside my A Vector Potential experiments, will lead to learning.

More coming soon, thanks!

Marcel

Chris's Non-Inductive Coil Experiment

2019-10-08T07:56:36.3970000

My Friends,

I am going to show a small experiment, one that follows the works of Andrey Melnichenko and even Tariel Kapanadze's works and as we know many others.

We have discussed here before, the fact that H3 is H3 simply because H1 and H2 cancel out: H1 + H2 + H3 = H3, why is this so, because H1 is Positive and H2 is Negative! We have seen this equation before: 1 + -1 + 1 = 1.

I think with Fighter's success recently, its time for some hands on!

First Layer: 88 Turns.
Second Layer: 43 Turns.

Layer One:

Layer Two:

Turns Direction:

Layer One Inductance:

Layer Two Inductance:

Non-Inductive Connected:

Layer One Resistance:

Layer Two Resistance:

Closed Loop Resistance:

My Coil, like Andrey Melnichenko's, is 0.33 + -0.33 + 0.33 = 0.33.

Two thirds of my Coil is canceled out. My Circuit looking like this:

Where:

L1 and L2 are Non Inductive.
L3 is Inductive.

If this Coil is carrying 1 Ampere of Current, and exactly one half of the Coil is Non-Inductive, then Turn for Turn, only 45 Turns will create an M.M.F, which is considered as 45 Turns x 1 Ampere = 45 Ampere Turns or 45At.

Science tells us, that Turn for Turn, where we have Non-Inductive part of the Coil, this part of the Coil does nothing! Creates no Magnetic Field, therefore does nothing.

However, from Experiment, we know that this part of the Coil DOES do something! Remember Floyd Sweets paper: Nothing is Something, this is the same!

At Resonance, we have a perfect Standing Wave! We know this as Magnetic Resonance! Where each Magnetic Field is 180 Degrees out of phase:

Now, straight away, we should see a problem! Why? Kirchhoff's Current Law says the Current must be equal at every node, but we have Turn for Turn, one Coil that is Inductively Zero, and another Coil that has only a part of the Induction canceled!

In the specific case of positive charges moving to the right and negative charges to the left, the effect of both actions is positive charge moving to the right. Current to the right is:

I = da⁺ / dt + da^- / dt

Negative electrons flowing to the left contribute to the current flowing to the right.

Each node does not equal the other, so the Circuit must balance out, Current is Increased as the Standing wave shows us.

Remember what Induction is? See here: Non-Linear Inductance

Induction gives us an approximation on the Coils ability to carry a Current: L = ε / di / dt

By Bringing a Coil arrangement like this into Resonance is our task.

Where each Electromagnetic Wave travels in opposite directions. One through the other in the same space.

THE NATURE OF SPACE

Space itself is the ability to accommodate energy. Consider for a moment the following illustration:

A signal (energy) is transmitted from point A to point B. A and B are separated by a finite distance. Consider three periods of time:

The signal is launched from A.

2) The signal resides in the space between A and B.

3) The signal arrives at B.

If (3) occurs simultaneously with (1) we say that the signal has traveled at infinite velocity. The signal has never resided in the intervening space and therefore there exists no space between A and B. A is virtually at the same point in space as B. For real space to exist between A and B it is necessary that a signal travelling between them be "lost" with reference to both points for a finite period of time.

Now we know that for real space to exist between two points a signal travelling between them will propagate at a finite velocity c, ( c = 1 / √με ).

If a signal will not travel between two points, as in the case when c = 0, then we can also conclude that there is no link or intervening space between them.

Ref: Floyd Sweet - Nothing is Something.

Floyd Sweet tried very hard to make c = 0! What does this mean? It is simply a Standing Wave, a Team Wave was used:

It is a simple matter using the equations E / H = √με and c = 1 / √με for a team wave to get rid of H and c and so convert the first equation into the well known equation for energy density in the so-called electrostatic field.

Ref: Floyd Sweet - Nothing is Something.

I have pointed out: Why 'C' is equal to One in these Devices.

We have a lot of data!

Chris

Extracting Energy with 'Diode-plug'

2022-11-09T19:00:28.1400000

I like to show you a nice way how we can extract energy from coils which are in resonance. When we have our LC circuit and connect the load directly on the dipole the resonance went away because of some reason.

what we can do is using a diode-plug. this is how it looks like..

between the diodes and capacitors is a good amount of energy for powering our loads.

this is how it looks on my oscilloscope..

CH1 - this is the system input (pulsing circuit)

CH2 - diode-plug OUT(-)

CH3 - diode-plug OUT(+)

CH4 - resonating coil

i have good results with this so far.

hope someone find it useful too.

regards

Chris's Electromagnetic Charge Pump Experiment

2021-11-04T03:36:30.6930000

My Friends,

Some have spent 50+ years searching! We have what they could not find!

Some have Degrees, BA's, Ph.D.'s, all sorts of Education under their belt! Education, does not, by any means, mean: Smart!

Why have we succeeded, very simple, we have Open Minds, we have not aloud our minds to be clouded with Assumptions, or Postulates! We have found several simple things to be incomplete in Science, that they, their Exploration, failed to Find!

Their Symmetrical Mind Set has let them down!

You are all familiar with the following Circuit:

https://youtu.be/pKFo4dOW4UU

Well, we can do better! There is more!

Nikola Tesla gave us a phenomena of great importance when he filed Patent: No# 512,340

UNITED STATES PATENT OFFICE.
NIKOLA TESLA, OF NEW YORK, N. Y.

COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS.
SPECIFICATION forming part of Letters Patent No. 512,340, dated January 9, 1894.

Application filed July 7, 1893. Serial No. 479,804. (No model.)

To all whom it may concern:

Be it known that I, NIKOLA TESLA, a citizen of the United States, residing at New York, in the county and State of New York, have invented certain new and useful Improvements in Coils for Electro-Magnets and other Apparatus, of which the following is a specification, reference being had to the drawings accompanying and forming a part of the same.

In electric apparatus or systems in which alternating currents are employed the self-induction of the coils or conductors may, and, in fact, in many cases does operate disadvantageously by giving rise to false currents which often reduce what is known as the commercial efficiency of the apparatus composing the system or operate detrimentally in other respects. The effects of self-induction, above referred to, are known to be neutralized by proportioning to a proper degree the capacity of the circuit with relation to the self-induction and frequency of the currents. This has been accomplished heretofore by the use of condensers constructed and applied as separate instruments.

My present invention has for its object to avoid the employment of condensers which are expensive, cumbersome and difficult to maintain in perfect condition, and to so construct the coils themselves as to accomplish the same ultimate object.


 
I would here state that by the term coils I desire to include generally helices, solenoids, or, in fact, any conductor the different parts of which by the requirements of its application or use are brought into such relations with each other as to materially increase the self-induction.

I have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction. This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current and the self-induction and capacity of the coil, the latter quantity being just capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency. It is well-known that the higher the frequency or potential difference of the current the smaller the capacity required to counteract the self-induction; hence, in any coil, however small the capacity, it may be sufficient for the purpose stated if the proper conditions in other respects be secured. In the ordinary coils the difference of potential between adjacent turns or spires is very small, so that while they are in a sense condensers, they possess but very small capacity and the relations between the two quantities, self-induction and capacity, are not such as under any ordinary conditions satisfy the requirements herein contemplated, because the capacity relatively to the self-induction is very small.

In order to attain my object and to properly increase the capacity of any given coil, I wind it in such way as to secure a greater difference of potential between its adjacent turns or convolutions, and since the energy stored in the coil—considering the latter as a condenser, is proportionate to the square of the potential difference between its adjacent convolutions, it is evident that I may in this way secure by a proper disposition of these convolutions a greatly increased capacity for a given increase in potential difference between the turns.


 
I have illustrated diagrammatically in the accompanying drawings the general nature of the plan which I adopt for carrying out this invention.

Figure 1 is a diagram of a coil wound in the ordinary manner. Fig. 2 is a diagram of a winding designed to secure the objects of my invention.

Let A, Fig. 1, designate any given coil the spires or convolutions of which are wound upon and insulated from each other. Let it be assumed that the terminals of this coil show a potential difference of one hundred volts, and that there are one thousand convolutions; then considering any two contiguous points on adjacent convolutions let it be assumed that there will exist between them a potential difference of one-tenth of a volt. If now, as shown in Fig. 2, a conductor B be wound parallel with the conductor A and insulated from it, and the end of A be connected with the starting point of B, the aggregate length of the two conductors being such that the assumed number of convolutions or turns is the same, viz., one thousand, then the potential difference between any two adjacent points in A and B will be fifty volts, and as the capacity effect is proportionate to the square of this difference, the energy stored in the coil as a whole will now be two hundred and fifty thousand as great. Following out this principle, I may wind any given coil either in whole or in part, not only in the specific manner herein illustrated, but in a great variety of ways, well-known in the art, so as to secure between adjacent convolutions such potential difference as will give the proper capacity to neutralize the self-induction for any given current that may be employed. Capacity secured in this particular way possesses an additional advantage in that it is evenly distributed, a consideration of the greatest importance in many cases, and the results, both as to efficiency and economy, are the more readily and easily obtained as the size of the coils, the potential difference, or frequency of the currents are increased.


 
Coils composed of independent strands or conductors wound side by side and connected in series are not in themselves new, and I do not regard a more detailed description of the same necessary. But heretofore, so far as I am aware, the objects in view have been essentially different from mine, and the results which I obtain even if an incident to such forms of winding have not been appreciated or taken advantage of.

In carrying out my invention it is to be observed that certain facts are well understood by those skilled in the art, viz.: the relations of capacity, self-induction, and the frequency and potential difference of the current. What capacity, therefore, in any given case it is desirable to obtain and what special winding will secure it, are readily determinable from the other factors which are known.

What I claim as my invention is—

1. A coil for electric apparatus the adjacent convolutions of which form parts of the circuit between which there exists a potential difference sufficient to secure in the coil a capacity capable of neutralizing its self-induction, as hereinbefore described.

2. A coil composed of contiguous or adjacent insulated conductors electrically connected in series and having a potential difference of such value as to give to the coil as a whole, a capacity sufficient to neutralize its self-induction, as set forth.

NIKOLA TESLA.

Witnesses:
ROBT. F. GAYLORD,
PARKER W. PAGE.

The Coefficient of Coupling of Coils / Inductors ( K ) is a unique variable. If the Factor is equal to 1, then the Coupling is considered Unity Coupling. Normally, Unity Coupling is where one Inductor is on top, directly, of the other. In other words, no Space is separating the Inductors/Coils.

Here is one way to Visualise this:

Ref: Mutual Inductance

Here, a Transformer with Unity Coupling:

Both input and output Coils are considered Unity Coupled, Inner Coil is the Primary and Outer Coil is normally the Secondary.

Basically, Electromagnetic induction is better, the closer you have the Coils to the Source Changing Magnetic Field!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk4SV5-LX2E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMQNnZtvwGU

NOTE: The Natural state of two Parallel Wires, if Current Flows, is in Opposite Directions! I have stated this Here. NOT in the Same Direction:

Most all of us here, already know this stuff, all have either learnt this prior to becoming a member, or from prior posts on this Forum.

In Practice, if we use what we have learned already, we can, in point of fact, use this knowledge, to gain an advantage.

Nikola Tesla says:

What I claim as my invention is—

A coil for electric apparatus the adjacent convolutions of which form parts of the circuit between which there exists a potential difference sufficient to secure in the coil a capacity capable of neutralizing its self-induction, as hereinbefore described.

A coil composed of contiguous or adjacent insulated conductors electrically connected in series and having a potential difference of such value as to give to the coil as a whole, a capacity sufficient to neutralize its self-induction, as set forth.

I propose the opposite, to Maximise the Self Induction.

My Friends, a recap for you:

We can have a Bi-polar Version:

Where:

S-Gnd = Scope Ground.
S-V = Scope Voltage Probe.
S-I = Scope Current Probe.

The Bi-Polar Version is a bit more difficult to use, and operate! The DC Pulses must be set, both Frequency and in Duty Cycle spot on to make this work efficiently.

NOTE: A Capacitor on the Output, is a good idea! The Capacitor will make for easier Measurement and also Spike Smoothing. Helping to protect your Scope and Equipment!

This probably should be a requirement at this stage!

NOTE: C1 the 10,000.00 uF Capacitor. This will absorb the Spikes and Smooth the Voltage and Current Spikes we saw in earlier experiments. I know most here know this already, but for those that don't.

The input Coil must fit the Partnered output Coil Resonance Frequency. What I mean, the Slope of the Current on the input Coil, must match the Slope of the Voltage on the Output Coil when at Resonance.

NOTE: I urge all here, a refresher on: Reduced Impedance Effect. This is an Important Effect!

I present a small demonstration, designed to show Effects Only:

I have decided to put this Video into a Series of Videos, here is Part One:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIzCqX-F7tA

I do not wish to debate Measurements, I know what's possible, and this is merely a simple demonstration to show what's possible. Most of you, here, know what's possible already! This is simply the start! Step two of many!

Remember, Current I = Voltage V / Resistance R, so if Voltage V increases, Current I must also Increase! Ohms Law is our Friend!

This original thread can be viewed here: https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/one-step-ahead/ which will be modified later on.

Best Wishes,

Chris

Adam’s Experiments and Understanding of coils and magnetism.

2023-11-18T16:57:30.8830000

Hello everyone,

I thought I would start at the beginning by posting a video of My understanding of how Transformers, Motors, and Generators work. I think without a basic understanding of this it may be hard to understand what is going on in more complex devices. Please remember this is just how I understand what is actually happening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1WYvcosagk

The key takeaway is the core inductive reactance being variably reduced or changed due to the intensity of two magnetic fields colliding. Also, that a coil resists the change from a building and or a collapsing magnetic field.

I would like to thank Chris for taking all the time in providing free videos and all the information on this forum. The time and energy he has invested in this is INCREDIBLE!

Please comment on what you think.

Do you agree or disagree? lol

Adam.

Aetherholic’s Exponential COP Device Test

2022-10-05T08:22:58.4600000

To give some encouragement as to what can be achieved I decided to post some test results for one of my devices.

I present here the lower 5 measurements from the data set which are by no means the limit of this device.

The COP in the presented data reaches COP>4 and from the graphs you can draw your own conclusions as to where the COP figure will be when higher input power is used.

2 toroids

2025-03-06T13:17:46.2630000

Hello everyone !

I am new here. If this topic was discussed here before, please refer me there.

Looking for overunity ideas I'v found this idea based on 2 toroid transformers. In this simple circuit on the Load side, in idle mode, there is voltage 8,4V (about 25 turns - max I can do). A distance between toroids is about half inch.
If to add a capacitor (doesn't matter which 2, 6 or 20 microFarads) and adding another halogens, I get overunity around 10%.
When add 140W halogens voltage drops only around 0,5V, which is good.
If to add something like ram pump, to pump up voltage, voltage would go up and power, and consumption on grid side should go down and overunity should goes up. Dear members, can you advice on this ?

If to add a capacitor (between line and neutral) on the grid side, power consumption goes up 50 times in idle mode. Thanks to a capacitor a power plant gets 50 times more power, more money.

We need 2be3

SRM motors - possible overunity, the principle

2025-01-23T08:00:08.1530000

Hello,
I was experimenting a bit out of boredom and came up with this experiment:
I disassembled an old EI transformer (220V/12V). Using the E-shaped parts and the 220V winding, I made an electromagnet. I connected a starting electrolytic capacitor to it to create an LC circuit with a resonant frequency of about 10 Hz. I pulsed the LC circuit using PWM at its resonant frequency. From the I-shaped parts of the transformer, I made a block, which I brought close to the pulsing electromagnet. The I-block oscillated strongly in my hand, and when I moved it closer to the electromagnet, it stuck to it and wouldn’t come off until I turned off the pulsing (8V, 250mA, duty cycle 45%).
Using a multimeter and oscilloscope, I found that the LC circuit consumed roughly the same amount of power, whether the oscillating I-block was near the electromagnet (oscillating strongly) or stuck to it completely, or even when it was absent—any difference in power consumption was negligible, despite me applying a significant braking force with my hand.
Now, here’s my question:
Imagine we have a switched reluctance motor (SRM) where the rotation of the rotor does not influence the magnetic field of the excitation coils with an opposing magnetic field (unlike standard motors). Instead, it operates on the same principle as my vibrating I-block. If we connected the phase coils of the SRM motor into LC circuits and pulsed them at the resonant frequency of the LC circuits, what efficiency could such an SRM motor achieve?
Does anyone have experience with SRM motors?

I want to thoroughly test the energy efficiency of SRM motors.
I understand the physical principle of generating mechanical energy (the motion of a conductor in a magnetic field when current flows through it, or the motion of a magnet in a magnetic field induced by the conductor). By moving the conductor’s loop, its magnetic field affects the magnetic field of the other element, thereby causing increased electrical energy consumption.
But in the case of SRM motors, the situation is different. There is only one electromagnet, and the rotor is magnetically neutral. Therefore, the motion of the rotor does not influence the magnetic field of the excitation coil.
I have verified this through an experiment with an electromagnet in an LC circuit, where I allowed a metallic object to vibrate. The energy consumption without the vibrating object was the same as the energy consumption with the vibrating object. In both cases, the consumption was only due to Joule losses, and the mechanical energy produced appeared to be "extra."
That’s why I want to try connecting a two-phase stepper SRM motor to an LC circuit, where one part of the oscillation would pass rectified through one coil and the other part through the second coil (with an initial mechanical impulse provided by hand to start rotation). I want to monitor the energy consumption of the supplied pulses in the state without the rotor, with the rotor stationary, and during rotor rotation. Then I plan to connect a generator (e.g., a cheap BLDC motor), rectify the output, and measure the generated energy.
Equations describing the motion of a conductor in a magnetic field talk about the force acting on the conductor in the field but say nothing about a magnetically neutral ferromagnetic object affected by the induced magnetic field.
The result of my experiment with the electromagnet in an LC circuit suggests that if we were to use a superconductor and a lossless magnetic core in the LC circuit, it would oscillate indefinitely, and by placing an object made of lossless magnetic material near the electromagnet in the LC circuit, it would generate mechanical energy seemingly "out of nothing."
AI claims that SRM motors can operate with an efficiency of 95%—but that calculation considers only mechanical efficiency. Joule losses are not accounted for. I want to verify whether SRM motors could operate analogously to a heat pump, generating mechanical energy from something we currently don’t understand.

FringeIdeas's Melnichenko's Effect Replication

2024-12-05T16:59:34.8630000

Hello!

Sorry I have been extremely busy with work and family stuff lately. Still going to bed and waking up thinking about this stuff. I have managed to do a bit of forum reading and finally today I got a little bench time which I'd like to share.

Ok, the point I'm at now, and this seems common after reading a few other threads, there is a big lean towards flyback action. I even got a few comments about it on my YouTube videos that it's the flyback. YouTube comments usually mean run the other way 😀 but let's not be so quick to throw away interesting experiments.

Chris says a million times all over the forum that it's not the flyback action, it's forward action. So, I kept clicking and reading. I came across a thread by Jagau, Melnichenko's Effect

And thank you Jagau for all the contributions you have left this forum in the past! Really some good digging and documentation for us who follow.

So Melnichenko dealt with flyback setups, but he himself said they were not the typical flyback. And his aim with his experiments, that he wanted people to replicate, leaned heavily on the separation of fields, not the flyback.

So, in this thread, I'm going to entertain the idea of flyback, with the exception that I will actually be looking for what else is going on. Because I think, like Chris says a million times, there are other things going on. Action, reaction, counter-reaction. Of course, in the end, we need opposing magnetic fields, etc.

So I will start with Melnichenko's E core setup and investigate that as much as I can, then move on to the air core coil surrounding the cored coil. Should be fun!

A few more links:

Melnichenko patent Jagau had given in his thread. Interesting read, here

Melnichenko's Effect 2 (the following)

raivope - Melnichenko replication attempt

Brian's Melnichenko's Effect Replication

hyiq.org Melnichenko

Melnichenko YouTube video channel "СВОБОДНАЯ ГЕНЕРАЦИЯ Андрей Мельниченко" which for some reason I can't link, so here is a link to the first video in the list, you can get to the rest of the videos through this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrRZh3XntO4

Akula Lantern 4 Replication

2023-12-31T12:00:37.3170000

Hello Everyone:

This is my first time to post on the form, and it's my great honor to be here. I too like everyone here want to see humanity able to have free energy for everyone, thus we can stop the pollution and global warming.

I want to share some of my experiment step by step, and the problem solving process, I will share as much and as details, thus the newcomer to this technology like me, will learn from my experiences and mistakes, and make sure their study and replication process a lot easier. I have not make it working yet, many problem need to discuss and solve, thus I will keep update.

l recently decide to replicate the Akula Lantern number 4, which is shown in this video shown below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-EmSMOYXVc&t=517s

The first experiment:

The schematic diagram that I used to create my PCB is shown below:

In the original diagram some of the component is not labeled, in order to make my PCB I need to add label to some of the component.

Below is the PCB that I made:

Initially I solder every component exact as shown in the schematic diagram, and try to make it run, but it did not work correctly[LED did light up, but did not self run]. The 7141 inverter [labeled as U1 on the PCB] as signal generator, I found it is very sensitive to the value of C31 capacitor, and 100nF as shown in the circuit diagram is not going to make it generate a steady signal. I use a function generator to control the MOSFET or BJT instead, I will switch back to the on board signal generator when I make it working. I use the signal generator to control the BJT and go through may different frequency but did not self run.

After watching the video called "Our Flashlight" from Aboveunity and hyiq Research Channel, and after reading the two thread:

https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/akula-s-30-w-lantern-chris-s-replication/

https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/yoelmicro-s-ferro-magnetic-resonance/

I thought I need to go basic and to do some more experiment on ferroresonance.

The second experiment:

I created a circuit according to the schematic shown below:

Some detail is that, I did not use the IXDN619PI and it's related component as my signal generator, I use function generator instead, I did not use the IXFH220N06T3 MOSFET, I use IRF3205 instead. I use PC40 as the ferrite core material instead of 3C90. I did use EFD25 core and bobbin. I wrap 19 turn of 0.8mm diameter magnetic wire around the bobbin, and doing some experiment. Below is some of the result:

The ferroresonance start at 6kHz, with a duty cycle of 15%.

I latter use the same ferrite core as I used in the first experiment, and wrap around a multi strain soft wire of 0.5mm^2, with a turn ratio of 189, and use the same experimental setup as above, and I found it generate the same kind of waveform as above at 16kHz with a duty cycle of 25%, by just using the 18 turn primary, I think it should be at the ferroresonance. At the point of ferroresonance I use to connect some LED to the secondary, I found the more LED I connect the less current draw from the DC power supply, with some limit of how may LED you can connect, but the more LED you connect the less bright it became. The IRF2305 MOSFET datasheet said it have a rise time of 101ns, which is not at 20ns to 27ns range, maybe I should change to another faster switch MOSFET? I did get some good wave so I continued the experiment. [I forgot to take photo for this setup].

The second experiment on ferroresonance encourage me to go back to the first experiment to do some simple setup and see if I can make it into self run. [Note: Akula Latern number 4 seems using a different energy recovery process as shown by Our Flashlight video, the Akula circuit schematic shows the secondary have a 1000uF electrolyte capacitor, and it's positive terminal connect via diodes to another 1000uF electrolyte capacitor at the primary, I think the secondary charged up the cap, and send energy to another cap. In Our Flashlight video, the secondary is not connected to the primary and I think it use another energy recovery process not shown to us than the secondary coil feedback process use by Akula].

The third experiment:

Below is the circuit schematic of my simple setup:

In the schematic diagram above I high light the component that I still use in the red circle, and I add the 4.7uF 400V cap from the second experiment. and I hope this could setup the ferroresonacne condition, and recover energy from the secondary to the cap that power the primary. I use a adjustable resistor to change the rise time, and use the function generator to control the gate.

Below is the circuit setup:

Below is the oscillscope image when the function generator is at 16kHz 25% duty cycle, the exact ferroresonance condition that I found during the second experiment.

The yellow trace is signal from the drain.

The blue trace is signal from the gate.

Now I do get some voltage recovery, but is not the same wave form as I saw before, and it need a lot of energy input from the DC power source, and the LED did not light up. Thus I change the frequency and duty cycle and I got the follow scope shot.

I thought this might get recover some energy, even through it still need a lot of energy input from the DC power source, and the LED did not light up. I try to disconnect from DC power supply and it did not self run.

I then disconnect the 4.7uF 400V cap from the circuit, and below is the circuit setup:

I tried to run at the ferroresonance frequency of 16kHz and 25% duty cycle, but the wavefrom changed a lot, and LED did not light up.

The wave form is the same if the second experiment disconnect from 4.7uF 400V cap. It generate a lot of oscillation after turn of the MOSFET, that oscillation should from the magnetic hysteresis oscillation because the magnetic energy have no where to go, and just oscillate back and forth.

In order for it just stay in the first quadrant of magnetic hysteresis, I adjust both the frequency and duty cycle, and get to the frequency more than 500kHz，and duty cycle of near 50%, the LED did not light up, and did not self run below is the waveform:

Some thought on the experiment:

I think the circuit of Akula lanter number 4 on the internet is not correct, and change is needed, for example add a cap to the primary.

After the MOSFET turns off some the energy in the transformer need to go somewhere, or you can get a very fast oscillation.

Some questions:

What do you think I need to do to get the ferroresonacne in the third experiment, as I did in the secondary experiment?

What should I do to get the energy recovery?

Do you think Akula circuit and Our Flashlight video circuit have to different energy recovery process?

Do you think I did some some wrong or made a mistake in my experiment?[I am really looking forward to get some feedback!]

Most important thing of all:

Happy New Year!

MTKE

ISLab maximising magnetic resonance in POC

2022-11-04T13:58:36.5530000

In my previous thread on ISLab's Replication of Basic POC Effect, I had many useful learning outcomes and got a good "feel" for the behaviour of POC coils under various kinds of situations. With help and encouragement from all of you, I was able to get the Sawtooth Wave and "generate" more power than "induced" within the coils.

This thread will focus on optimising the POC coils and maximising their magnetic resonance for optimum power generation.

Ferrite at work

2020-09-12T19:11:55.2870000

An easy to assemble circuit that works, I have tried it myself and it is stable and functional.

This circuit is not from me it is from a Russian researcher who introduces himself under the nick name of "not a square" in russian 'Не квадрат'' 'on this website you can talk to him.
https://strannik-2.ru/index.php/forum/prakticheskaya-elektronika/220-u-menya-interesnaya-skhema?start=1485

The circuit has been working for 5 days now and the voltage is very stable. Here is the circuit:

I admit that I am happy with the result and that the ferrite fuel is doing its job. This circuit deserves to be studied and developed.

A view of the oscilloscope on the collector

I started at 2.3 volts and now after 5 days the circuit is stabilized at 2.457 volts

Jagau

Partnered Output Coils

2017-08-05T21:35:49.9500000

Many times I have talked about Partnered Output Coils. People call them Bucking Coils. I prefer not to use this terminology. Its a bit confusing. I use a Sudo Diagram:

I have been through the "Common Mode Choke" and why Partnered Output Coils are different in the Timing Thread.

People in general seem to have a largely misunderstood inception of Partnered Output Coils, or Bucking Coils in general.

Andrey Melnichenko also shows a Bucking Component to his Coils. But the Coils were not Bucking as we think of Bucking.

Here is an example of how it is a misunderstood area of Science. Itsu is an excellent Experimenter, this is not intended as a dig, just an observation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6htOsexWFGk

Studding this video, it is obvious there has been a lot of effort gone into this. A lot of work! But Itsu is missing something, something that is the most important of all! Can you spot what it is?

His Grenade Coil is wrong! This also pointed out in the comments.

The Grenade Coil must have, what would normally be thought of as a "Non-Inductive" Component, a Bucking Component! Actually, we will find, as time goes on, this is Highly, extremely Inductive!

Turns 1 and 2 are Counter Clockwise, turns 3, 4, 5 and 6 are Clockwise.

Ask yourself the question, how is it that a huge amount of Electrical Power can be extracted from a NON-Inductive Coil?

Also from Ruslan Kulabuhov

It is actually this Extremely Inductive Component that makes a Common-Mode Choke work as it does!

Floyd Sweet also shows this exact same Bucking of Magnetic Fields:

The VTA Description is as follows:

Consider for a moment the construction of the triode which includes the bifilar coils located within the fields of the two magnets.

When the current in one half of the conductors in the coils (i.e., one of the bifilar elements in each coil) of the device is moving up, both the current and the magnetic field follow the right-hand rule.

The resultant motional E-field would be vertical to both and inwardly directed.

At the same time the current in the other half of the conductors in the coils is moving down and both the current and magnetic field follow the right-hand rule.

The resulting motional E-field is again vertical to both and inwardly directed.

Thus, the resultant field intensity is double the intensity attributable to either one of the set of coil conductors taken singularly.

Now, a Right Hand Rule both facing Inwards, it is the same as:

Why? Why must we have Opposing Magnetic Fields?

If the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an apparently steady E-field will be created. The energy density of the fields remain as calculated above, but the value of the E-field will double from E/2 to E.

By Opposing the Magnetic Fields in a Dynamic System, the Electrical Field doubles! The Mr Preva Experiment proved this to be true!

Floyd Sweet also said:

Current is deemed as a quantity or number of charged particles moving from P₁ to P₂ in time t, or as the charge transferred in one second by a current of one ampere. The coulomb is the charge on 6.24 x 10¹⁸ electrons. Electric fields are due to the presence of charges. Magnetic field effects are due to the motion of charges. Current is the net rate of flow of positive charges. This is a scalar quantity.

In the specific case of positive charges moving to the right and negative charges to the left, the effect of both actions is positive charge moving to the right. Current to the right is: I = da⁺/dt + da^-/dt. Negative electrons flowing to the left contribute to the current flowing to the right.

The Mr Preva Experiment also proved this to be true!

We see a Standing Wave of Magnetic Fields!

This thread is for those with questions, thank you Vasile for the following question.

Chris

Crashing my Chrome browser - failure message

2024-06-10T02:05:41.3900000

I don't know what's going on, but this website is crashing my Chrome browser. Only this site and no others. When I visit this website, YouTube is not running simultaneously. To browse the internet normally, I have to close and reopen Chrome. Does anyone have a problem with this particular page? The page seems to be loading all the time and then displays a failure message.

Everything is back to normal now.

Fringe look at the A Vector Potential and rotating magnetic fields

2024-04-22T07:29:15.3170000

On the heels of my Fringe's some coils buck and some coils don't thread, and after a decent amount of reading, videos, and thinking, I'm finding I should probably dive a bit deeper into understanding the A vector potential, with the addition of the rotating magnetic field.

There seem to be a lot of devices which mention a wind up effect, or gyroscopic effect, etc. And a bold assumption of mine, I'm thinking that even the motor or transformer type devices that might not use a rotating magnetic field, work on the same process as those that do use a rotating magnetic field. Maybe they do all have a rotating magnetic field? Time will tell.

Chris's experiments with the A vector potential A Vector Potential

The same setup with the rotating magnetic field here:

https://youtu.be/qp5zzdcLNEY

For example Akula has a video here

https://youtu.be/X5AZhlg3IBk

2:02 He talks about the electromagnetic field swirling.
4:15 He mentions the system automatically adjusts to the load, getting stronger and stronger (building up), and reaches a limit for that given load.
6:10 He connects the bulb and as the voltage goes up, he uses the words "the system accelerates".
6:40 "and so now the acceleration of the magnetic field is underway, rotating it"
8:15 again "...it can spin up this magnetic field…". And other places in the video. Good video, watch the whole thing, with captions on. And also this next one.

Second Akula video, which Chris if I'm not mistaken, this one is not on the AkulaVids list, but this is a good one.

https://youtu.be/aeHZf1nGHk8

1.31 Talking about the principle of operation "one of the principles that I use in the work of all these devices…". "... by far do not differ from the installation that I did for…" lists different versions, 20W, 1KW, 30KW, etc. All the same principles.

These devices of Akula look exactly like the device of Steven Mark. Especially the second device he shows in this video, where he uses the magnets alone to start it.

I assume everyone has heard Steven Mark talk about the gyroscopic effect, but here he also talks about the wind up/down effect.

https://youtu.be/zAuoekZq4HM

2:20 Turns the device on with a magnet alone.
2:50 He states if you remove the magnet the voltage starts to come down, there is a frequency pattern set up and it takes a while to wind down, similar to that of a jet turbine.
3:15 Talks about the device having vibrations, etc.

I have no idea why in the world the device would turn off if you turn it upside down, that doesn't make sense to me, maybe someday it will.

Anyway, I know there are many other inventors that use this same principle. I won't name them all here. I'll probably start with small experiments with the Magnetic Induction Compass, and from there venture on to the rotating magnetic field setup that Chris has on the above mentioned hyiq.org page. And hopefully get a better picture of what is going on in the coils.

Not sure when I'll get started as I might have to order some parts and I have a small trip back to California soon to see family. But this is the direction I'll be heading with experiments. At some point I'll pick at the YoElMiCrO and Akula stuff, but that will probably be a different thread when I'm done with this one.

If I'm heading off in the wrong direction please let me know before I start winding coils! 😁

Back soon, hopefully, with something to share!

Marcel

How to make low drag generator coil and importance of shorted coil and its function,

2024-04-28T00:48:38.5370000

Hello everybody,

This is normally already mentioned by Chris into some core (main) threads, but i would like to draw attention because i believe

it is the very critical technique and able to promote our understanding more and more clear,

The motto sentence of Chris, as "Voltage generated and current pumped" is not vain and really need to point out by practical techniques,

it is very important in terms of asymmetry,

I believe , the videos i will upload are really have potential as milestone on the road,

Fringe's some coils buck and some coils don't

2023-12-18T10:47:37.0130000

Time for a replication of some coils buck and some coils don't. some-coils-buck-and-some-coils-dont

This replication is not intended to bury any rabbit holes. It just seemed important because it's referenced on almost every other thread on the forum.

The original circuit, which I have set up:

My setup:

The capacitors in total are 584 µF (considerably less than the original experiment).

The coils are hand wound 0.8 mm, two cw, one ccw, each at 0.3 Ω and 15.5 mH (considerably higher than the original experiment, though I'm sure in the original experiment the 0.39 mH changed when the coil was placed on the core).

I'll run through the tests given in the original experiment thread and read the thread a few times to make sure there is nothing I'm missing. I'm sure there will be questions.

Thanks!

Marcel

Self Powering Above Unity Machines

2020-08-12T23:59:19.7470000

My Friends,

Today I want to discuss a topic covered many times, but rarely covered in this context: Self Powering

Akula's Circuits gave us a whole new perspective on the Power Arena! The following Circuit especially, is one of my favorites:

I never saw this circuit / device run. I wish I had the Video! However, Circuits following this Circuit are very much the same, most are in-fact the same, at least of the Lantern!

If you have a Video of this machine, please share it here?

There is a Feed Back and Feed Forward Loop in this circuit which is ingenious!

Remember: Its all about the Coils! How they Interact together!

L1 and L2 do exactly what we have learned in my thread: Chris's Non-Inductive Coil Experiment. Its important to realise this!

With a very short Duty Cycle on the Input, we have the ability to gain Energy over Time! We already know how to do this, if you don't, go back and study the fore mentioned thread.

When the Mosfet is On:

When the Mosfet is Off:

The only difference is the Dot Polarity. When the Mosfet turns off, the Current tries to continue on its path. I call this Inductive Collapse.

Note: Inductive Collapse by itself is not Above Unity!

However, when we have a Standing Wave, and when the Voltage, Potential, is greater, then we get Above Unity Results. The Capacitor C1 must always remain fully charged once we get this condition happening! The Ground is very important, closing the Loop if you like.

L2 Charges C1, and when we have Magnetic Resonance, feeds back through L1, to help Power the Load. I have greatly simplified this Circuit for the purpose to show you how to self Power a circuit like this.

L2's entire Voltage Potential is across C1!

L2 must gave a greater Voltage Potential on it so as to keep the Capacitor Charged!

NOTE: That's why the turns ratio: 15 : 45 or 33%, notice close to the 25, or 1/4 wave, is used. A dual Purpose.

C2 shown below is really just a Smoothing Cap, or containment vessel, reducing dangerous spikes.

Of course, this is one of many ways! Ruslan showed us a very obvious method:

As you know, the rectangle marked as BTT12V powers the Machine.

Simply returning some of the Output, back to the Input Power Module. This is very obvious, and most of the time will work fine. Sometimes however, there can be Grounding problems, as soon as you attach your Output to Input, your Machine Stops working. This is something to be aware of.

Most of you already know this!

Best wishes, stay safe and well My Friends,

Chris

EDIT: Don't forget, Energy is sent back through your Input, to charge your Source, Battery or Capacitor. So Self Powering means, only a small amount of energy send back, or Fed Back to keep the machine working.

Tinman's Bucking Coil Experiments

2024-01-03T04:56:18.3200000

Hi all, been working on one of tinman's devices and have very similar results.

Here is a circuit drawing.

Comments welcome

https://i.postimg.cc/s2jB7phN/Tinman-s-bucking-coil-experiment.png

My MrPreva Experiment Replication

2023-04-24T14:17:26.6470000

Ok, I hope I got this all correct. I actually tried posting this to the end of the existing MrPreva discussion, but it wouldn't post for some reason, so I'll just start another. Finally got my scope and generator. Measurements are a bit off because my 0.1 ohm resistors were home made by a friend. Close, but not precision. Anyway, the effect was still clear. Here are the details and a video explaining it all. If I screwed something up, let me know. Positive criticism is always welcome. I'll keep going through the builders guide and try to decide what experiment to follow up on next.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQadidulKiY

Please help explain this to me.

2023-12-13T09:38:46.1500000

Hey All,

I was wondering if someone could explain to me why this is happening?

Please see drawing for full details.

I have a standard PWM module I got from ebay. It works from 3v to 30v I believe.

I have it running on a single 18650, atm it is at 3.9V and runs the PWM fine.

The problem is that when I setup the scenario you see in the picture. The LED is lit and a meter reading across it shows 2.4v. Even though the cap and PSU feeding it show 2V. I verified this via multiple Meters, even disconnecting the PSU drains the cap and the LED goes out. Putting the LED across the Cap or PSU does not light it. It's absolute minimum to conduct is about 2.33V

I figure the PWM is somehow causing the problem. But how?

One odd thing to note about the PWM module is it requires its power source in this case the 3.8V 18650 to have a common ground with the transistor.

Turing off the PWM stops everything. I have tried multiple different types of LEDs. They all seem to light even though they are only connected to a 2V Cap/PSU

I cannot for the life of me understand how the 18650 is feeding the LED.

Happy to post any photos/videos etc to help if required.

I hope I am just doing something very silly here and just don't understand enough about electronics. Cos I am confused AF.

Edit:

I have a DSO and it shows the PWM running fine with the correct square wave. I measured from the ground directly on the PWM out.

Measuring across the led shows a square signal too. I am running at 10% duty.

Starting at the very start...

2023-12-08T14:04:35.4100000

Hello all,

My thread here will be very basic for all you experts out there, but I have no option but to start at the start. And then work my way 'upwards'. Please do feel free to correct me, tell me what I got wrong, and point me in the right direction. I will always try to describe what I aim to achieve, how I will set things up to do this, and my results together with my explanation of what I think I have seen.

I have spent the last several weeks reviewing materials on this forum, and quietly built up a collection of equipment that has today allowed me to make a start, of sorts..

I have the following items:

Scope
0-30VDC 10 amp PSU
Dual output PSU 2-12VAC and 0-24VDC
'Square' wave PWM generator, 1-100% duty, 0-150KHz. This runs at 12V.
A couple of multimeters, one of which performs minor scope functions
Various connectors
Some megnet wire, and air coil bobbins.
All sorts of electrical detritus left over from building a car
Various diodes and LEDs
some Bourns 30W 0.1 CSRs which I will use to create my version of some 'measurement boards'.
etc

Shortly I will receive 2 pairs of C-Cores made of diffferent material, and some power resistors for limiting the current in my coil circuits.

My plan is to replicate some of your experiments to begin with, and learn what I need to learn.

My next post will post the results of my first pre-experiment.

Cheers, M.

Ansen's Bucking Coils Experiment

2022-11-04T11:44:24.4830000

Hello everyone,

This thread is about my experiments with bucking coils based on Chris' Non-Inductive Coil Experiment. I still have a ton to learn and understand, but with time I will get it. I want to say a BIG thanks to Chris and the rest here who put in so much effort in helping others!

Best Regards,

ansen

YoElMiCrO's Ferro-Magnetic Resonance

2020-02-29T19:58:02.0870000

Hi everyone.

Circuit to check ferro-resonance.
The two bulbs are 12V @ 35Watts, if you want you can do the experiment.
The mosfet can be an IRF3205, anyone with an Rds (on) whose value is at least
the value of the load between 10 so that Norton is negligible.
For example, if the bulb is 35W @ 12V, the minimum resistance of the mosfet in the state
on should be less than (12 ^ 2/35) /10=0.4 Ohm.
As the one I propose has 0.008 Ohm, it will more than meet that load.
With respect to the driver, anyone capable of delivering a peak current of 3A
It will be left over.
Here the images of the circuit and its tests.

The method of adjustment is as follows.
We apply a pulse of 2uS to the mosfet, at the beginning the 500 Ohm resistor in the gate to the minimum,
with a low frequency, say 100Hz.
We see the response in the waveform applied to the load, we adjust Ton so that
the answer begins at its maximum negative and at the end of Ton touch 0 Vdc.
Then we verify that in drain of the mosfet during the Toff cycle the answer is
ferro-resonant, this means that the first cycle of the sine function is not symmetric.
Then we raise the frequency while keeping Ton constant.

YoElMiCrO.

JenkoRun's Research into Partnered Output Coils

2023-10-12T22:06:15.9570000

Evening all, I'm probably missing something obvious (it's late over here I'm tired) but what are the reasons for this?:

First Layer: 88 Turns.

Second Layer: 43 Turns.

In the 2018 post https://aboveunity.com/thread/how-to-build-your-own-above-unity-machine/?p=1 Chris said the coil ratio between L1/2/3 should be at least 1, this ratio is 88:43 and way off from the former, especially since the first is higher in turn count than second, I was under the impression each preceding coil needed to be lower in turn count as stated in the other post for the device to operate correctly, is that ultimately incorrect and just down to the inductance relationship between the 3 coils?

I also have 2 extra questions:

1, Is the model of the POC on the site image functional? I see most of the experimental POC's here have electrically isolated L2 and L3 coils where that one is series connected, what's the effect from the difference in the design?

2, Along with Magnetic Resonance, is it also a requirement for the MR frequency to match or be close to the circuits LCR resonance frequency, or is the latter unneeded compared to MR? And to add to that is the resonant frequency change caused by the connection of a load an issue to POC's power generation?

Cheers, I need to sleep now.

Tesla hairpin

2017-09-29T17:32:39.0830000

Hi builders!

Do not want to distract anyone from their research but just let you know about my next experiment I am planning to play with.

In the past I have build the Tesla hairpin circuit and be amazed with their property... What I am planning is to use the "radiant" side of the hairpin circuit to feed the primary of a POC transformer. (see image attached)

I don't know if someone of you have try this before...? If so, it will be a pleasure to know about your experiments...

I am open to comment and suggestion.

Great building to everyone!

2x Total Watt power from resonantly tuned transmitter and receiver coils

2023-09-17T23:52:36.0370000

Evening all (or very early morning in my case) I didn't see any posts here about this so I figured I'd share: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bB0SQIRHcs

MTECH has been experimenting with these coils for a while now and has shown very interesting results, the transmitter coil operate on a hairpin like circuit driving the primary to produce LMD Displacement Currents, otherwise known as Cold Electricity, Dielectricity, or Radiant Energy, Tesla's "Non-Hertzian" waves, he's even shown examples where multiple receiver coils can be connected to nearby metal objects and have power drawn without putting any strain on the transmitter.

Also here's another video from his old channel with some abnormal bulb lighting from LMD induction, has anyone seen any of this before?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63eYXRltWUg

This is also my first post on the site, hi 👋

Donovan's experiments and learning.

2022-12-25T17:12:10.0170000

Hi,

Merry Christmas!

Here is what I have tried, am I headed in the right direction?

I think the most important thing in this experiment, is set up like this, when I disconnect the Bucking Coil Diode, the light goes to about 1/10 brightness.

I just built this with stuff laying around.

Things to try next for improvement:

1) My signal generator won't put out a low duty cycle, so I just built one up real quick from a TL494, which seems to not be able to go to the lower frequencies. Right now the scope shots are at .2ms/div, About 1kHz. I would like to try lower frequencies.

2) Try different loads, maybe lamps in series to get the voltage up, with a higher resistance load.

3) Try Zener diodes, or Zener diode and MOSFET's on the bucking coil to get voltages up.

4) Maybe try smaller coils to learn more from.

Transformer

Input Voltage, Top, and input current

Input Voltage, top, and Lamp current

The Test setup

Input Voltage, Top, and Bucking Diode Current.

Any input is appreciated!

Donovan

Tibetan singing joule thief update part deux

2022-11-26T05:30:19.3600000

Please pardon the low quality camera, LOL. (its from 8 years ago) It was among the first of my tinkering and dabbling of "bucking coils" made by basically winding magnet wire around a steel bowl form glued onto a "lazy susan" rotating food tray.- I thought it was pretty rough too but i had to try to make a similar replication of the YT'er: zerofossilfuels channel where he demonstrated increased inductive magnetic coupling on the bowl shaped winding he had made..(his does look better) But my train of thought was.. if the bowl shape can induce increased induction..maybe also it can increase voltage/saturation..? Currently, i am trying to replicate this hybrid joule thief circuit (once again) with my increased maturity and understanding of electrical phenomena.

I have a 446A Mini-Ubiquitous full spectrum analyzer and i intend to show screenshots of the resonant coils when i have confidence that i have re-created my experiment shown in this video from that time.

here again is the video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzbiz0q7iO0

Andrey Melnichenko Replication

2023-01-09T13:21:57.8330000

For some reason i tried to replicate what Andrey Melnichenko showed us some time ago.

The effect of having a copy from a magnetic field which is present in an e-core which did not influence the source dipole is a beautiful thing to have.

This is how it looks on the bench..

Video-URL: https://odysee.com/@tankcircuit:a/VID_20230109_132111:c?r=CJW48GgFtfBZfXWVGutqkoeKuXmTFBQq

have a nice day!

HV resonance

2023-01-14T11:44:32.9830000

Hello! I'm new here, but I've been following the OU scene for a long time. I apologize in advance for my bad English.

Ok, not to be late. In one of my experiments, I was inspired by a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI5XWz8aZvo

I tried too. I used a regular audio amplifier. I stepped up the voltage to 800V with a transformer and got a really nice resonance display on the primary coil. If there is any interest, I will of course provide more detailed information.

Mwtje sharing experiments POC

2023-01-04T19:02:35.6370000

Hi,

First of all happy new year to all!

After some time reading and viewing the yt set of video`s i would like to share my experiments with partnered output coils. My set-up looks like this.

This is the result for today.

10% DTC 5Khz

I do think the input coil needs adjustment, although i am a bit confused about that.

if i understand correctly the rise time of the quarter wavelength measured is about 1us. So the Input coil must match the 1us?

Wistiti experiments :)

2018-12-23T04:17:26.6630000

Hi guys! This tread is a place to share my experience with the POC. It will be as simple as I am. So do not ask for measurement, it all about the phenoment. Hope you will appreciate and participate! 😁

AlteredUnity's Non-inductive coil attempt

2021-01-09T05:35:58.2230000

Primary = 14turns (cw) - L : .5mH

L2 = Turns : 32(ccw), second layer 31(ccw), 21(cw) - L : 4.34mH

L3 = inverse of L2 - L : 4.53mH

Prim cap = 2.15nF

Yellow : L2 current over 1 ohm resistor

Blue : L3 current over 1 ohm resistor

Measurements are not in any way considered accurate, was looking to find effects I looked over so many times in the past. Still alot that could be improved I'm sure, this is without any capacitors on secondary. Any tips where to go from here?

Melnichenko's Effect 2 (the following)

2022-10-04T15:37:46.2830000

Hi all researchers,

A logical continuation of the THREAD Melnichenko effect, will be for me here a way of presenting you my work on this effect and advancing even further.
It is the great Nicolas Tesla of course who will guide my steps with the patent on the Conversion Method number 568178 and Use of Radiant Energy number 685957. He was the first to charge a capacitor and subsequently discharge it into a load with two isolated grounds .

Says Tesla
The output of Tesla's circuits ran the loads through a rapid series of capacitor discharges. These were bursts of voltage and current, all propagating in the same direction, separated by intervals of no activity
Tesla said that running circuits on this kind of power "...me makes it possible to produce many effects which cannot be produced with an invariable force".

The isa way to separate ground wich isolate two different circuits.

Jagau

Bigmotherwhale's Non-Inductive Coil Experiment

2022-11-16T00:24:47.1000000

Hello

I hope its okay to post here, I have just signed up to this forum, I dont usually post on forums like this because the level of confusion and invented overcomplication clouds my mind.

I have been doing some experiments with SERPS which led me onto Pavel Imris and his reactive power transformer which is also non inductive. I was then looking for the mechanisms which the electric field interacts and i eventually stumbled onto here, there is a goldmine of information here.

Back to the topic at hand, I have a small opposed coil inductor fed from a third coil, i have it setup driven from a mosfet and a power supply with a signal generator.

The output coils are two automotive bulbs, I have it so if either of the output coils are disconnected both bulbs go out.

I would like advice on what the output current and voltage should look like ideally on the scope.

Thank you.

The MrPreva Experiment

2017-03-23T00:09:09.0400000

I think this is perhaps one of the most important experiments anyone could do! A huge amount of information can be learned by running this very simple experiment!

Please Note: The Current's (I), add, Floyd Sweet talked about this specifically:

In the specific case of positive charges moving to the right and negative charges to the left, the effect of both actions is positive charge moving to the right.

Current to the right is: I = da⁺ / dt + da^-/ dt.

Negative electrons flowing to the left contribute to the current flowing to the right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFqJ5D6mkO0

The total Current, is the Sum of the both Currents!

We see, 2.8 Amps (da⁺ / dt) + 2.3 Amps (da^-/ dt) = the shown: 5.1 Amps as Floyd Sweet told us.

We see a Negative Power Factor, where the Voltage (V) Current (I) are out of phase by a Degree, which results in a Negative Power Factor!

cos(theta)

Where theta is the Phase angle in Degrees. EG:

cos(180) = -1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYerdzZPSI0

You will see there are some problems with the MrPreva Circuit, and it is explained, because, the Current (da^-) has become a Generator, or a Battery, which is the only time Kirchhoff's Current Law does not hold in an applied situation.

Melendor's bucking Coils Experiment

2022-10-06T21:47:59.3170000

Hello Friends.

As promised , it is my turn to post what I have learned in the last 2 years from you guys.
It is Underunity , because I have a lot more to learn , and I am seeking further advice from you.

I have here :

3 coils in total , 1 trigger and 2 Partenered Output coils

The 2 POC 's are 50 m of magnet wire at 0.7 mm diameter

The trigger is 12 ,5 m of 0.5 insulated wire. ( 1/4 Lenght )

The core is an AMCC 200 from China.

Here they are :

Because I have learned that coil Geormetry plays a strong role in the result , I did not make the Coil Bobbin 10 cm Long , but only 4 cm.
In this situation the coils do not fit one under the other , but One near the Other.

Coil Specs are:

L1 : 12.5 m - 1.2 Ohm - 8.5 mH CW

L2 : 50 m - 2.7 Ohm - 0.26 H CW
L3 : 50 m - 2.7 Ohm - 0.28 H CCW

Experiment Diagram is this :

The scope Shots are this :

Yellow : L1 Gate Voltage
Purple : L1 Current
Blue : L3 Current

Duty : 10 %

DC Bulb around 4 W.

The wire Length's are 1/4 but the turns are not 1/4

The POC have 280-300 Turns
The Trigger has 51 Turns.

The CORE Diameter Alone was small and I could build the 280 Turns , however the L1 is wound on a bigger Surface area , so I could not maintain an Equal Turn Ratio while maintaining the wire length.

I get the desired waveform , but with it or without it , the power Draw from the supply is the same.

The voltage on POC3 is not that great , so only a little bit of current flows.
I did not try to make measurements , because as Chris has said , at an early stage of the experiment , making measurements is pointless.

My experiment is similar to JOHN's his , the only diffrence is that I do not have a Gate Drive at the moment , and the L1 is not made of the same wire Gauge as the other 2 POC.

I would really love to see that "Helping" effect of the POC3 , and any advice to improve the current waveform would be Great.
I apologize if the setting is not very beautiful as yours is , but Investing in a 3D printer for the Bobbins , or an Expensive core , at this early moment of the experiment , as I have so much more to learn , was pointless from my point of view.

Thank you very much for all the hard work and your advice .

~~~ Melendor the Wizard

ISLab's Replication of Basic POC Effect

2022-01-10T16:29:10.1030000

This is my first attempt to replicate the basic POC OU effect.

First I want to thank Chris for this extraordinary site and its amazing content! I only came across it recently and wish I had known of it for the last few years that I have been experimenting. But it is never too late, so I want to start from scratch with POC effect.

Since this is my first post and the interface is very new, please forgive any errors. I will learn and correct as I go along.

My goal is to document in a way that others can also replicate by following my mistakes and successes.

I wound three coils on a 8cm ferrite rod thus:

L2 99 turns CW followed by L3 99 turns CCW

Then L1 on top of L2 with 98 turns CW.

All coils made with 26 SWG.

I tried to pulse L1 with 3.6 volts from standard PSU using IC555 circuit. This did not give any effect as the frequency was too low and I had no idea of what would be the resonant frequency.

The solution was to use Jagau's SRO circuit which automatically oscillates at resonant frequency, which I found to be about 12KHz in this case.

Below are photos and oscilloscope captures.

In order to get any useful signal on L3, I had to add a resistor and diode in both L2 and L3.

With resistor value of 33 Ohms and diode in opposing directions, I got the following in L3:

Red is pulse going into L1

Yellow is floating signal in L3, without connecting ground which seems to kill the signal.

Zooming in on this:

Slight adjustments on R1 give the following two variations to the pulse:

All the above readings are taken in the junction of the resistor and diode. The following is taken at the junction between L3 and diode:

I'm thrilled to get the ringing waveform but am not sure if I see the OU effect clearly lasting beyond the end of the L1 pulse.

Hence I request your guidance on how to further optimise the effect.

Thank you for your help and guidance!

raivope - Melnichenko replication attempt

2022-07-23T10:34:17.7800000

Hi,

Here is my version of Melnichenko coil.

Big aircore primary and the smaller secondary that is on a core.

I used IRFP460 mosfet for switching, the power supply can go to up to 200V.

Currently using 120V and ca 24% pulse width, input is tuned to near 100W and output energy recovery is measured on the load1 that is collected from the primary (CEMF). Best efficiency I reached was 86% without the secondary load connected.

When connecting the second load, the load1 power recovery falls to 74.5W. I haven't measured the secondary power (lot of work), but this lightbulb is actually not so bright (picture shows it was bright). It looks like that the energy that the secondary lightbulb eats up is taken from the primary in a same amount.

Of course - I tested different coil positions as well. Tried to touch the secondary with a ground wire (no effect), of course - I haven't tested the grounding for the primary, because have to be sure that the PSU will tolerate that biasing.

What was interesting that with a secondary load there was some sweet spot of pulse width where lights were the most bright.

Connecting the secondary light does not change the input (or a few watts up)

I haven't cut the core in pieces yet as you can see. It would be interesting to test 2 or 3 cores in series where cores are isolated from each other. This was Melnichenko's recommendation as well.

Output power measurement is done by the scope by multiplying V * I in a real time. Input power is shown on PSU. Values/proportions are consistent over the different power range.

Hmm... this is how it is...

Best,

--Raivo

Itsu replication RMS versus Average

2022-07-20T21:51:17.7170000

Since Itsu is not a member here ( I hope he will one day) and since we sometimes exchange ideas, I asked his permission to pass on his experiences on the RMS average comparison, As we have to examine the question from different angles this is of interest.

From Itsu

OK, now using a 12V / 5W lamp, same setup 1Khz @ 10% duty cycle:

Screenshot shows the:

# voltage in yellow across the 12V / 5W bulb
# current in green through the 12V / 5W bulb (current probe)
# Power in red calculated by the scope (Ch1 x Ch4)

I measure BETWEEN the 2 yellow vertical cursors only, so all data in the result box ONLY points to data take from the traces between those cursors which is 1 full period (cycle)

So we see that this period (1ms long) has a mean value of 1.166V and a rms value of 3.755V, and the current measures 192.9mA rms for which the scope calculated power (red) to be 723.6mW.

I have put 2 DMM's across the 12V / 5W bulb and:

# the Fluke 179 true RMS meters says 1.174V
# A cheapo DMM (no true rms) says 1.168V

Both DMM's of course measure the whole signal, so many periods (cycles).

It shows that a pulsed DC square signal has different value's for Vavg and Vrms.

The 12V bulb is on, but dim, so the 723mW seems an OK value for this 5W bulb.
Therefor the Vrms value of 3.755V seems the correct one as 3.755 x 0.1929 = 724mW which is the same almost as the scope calculates.
So both DMM's show the wrong voltage as they show the average voltage (mean) which cannot be used for this power calculation.
Itsu

My experience with this setup:

10 Ohm 1% CSR loaded with 10V DC pulse 1KHz @ 10% duty cycle.

Screenshot shows the:

# voltage in yellow across the 10 Ohm
# current in green through the 10 Ohm (current probe)
# Power in red calculated by the scope (Ch1 x Ch4)

I measure BETWEEN the 2 yellow vertical cursors only, so all data in the result box ONLY points to data take from the traces between those cursors.

So we see that this pulse (98us long) has both mean and rms value of 10V, and the current measures 1.01A for which the scope calculated power (red) to be 10.1W.

I have put 2 DMM's across the 10 Ohm resistor and:

# the Fluke 179 true RMS meters says 0.984V
# A cheapo DMM (no true rms) says 0.978V

Both DMM's of course measure the whole signal, so including the 10% duty cycle, therefor its ~10 times lower in value.

Not sure what you want with this, but it shows to me that a pulsed DC square signal has the same value for Vavg as for Vrms.

For the melnichenko setup, i yesterday tried 3 different methods to measure / calculate the input power:

1) using my voltage and current probe at the PS entry of the circuit.
This shows i have 36V DC @ 129.7mA rms AC for which the scope math function calculated the mean power to be 4.42W

2) using your method "Urms_pulse=Vp√D" where for:
voltage my t1 is 72us and T is 770us thus D = 0.093, Vp is average 32.9V, so giving Vrms to be 10.06V rms
current my t1 is 72us and T is 770us thus D = 0.093, Ip is 2.8A, but triangled, so halved for square so is 1.4A, so giving I rms to be 427mA rms
Power then is V rms x I rms = 10.06 x 427mA = 4.29W

3) A 2th way to calculate I rms in the above 2) method is to use the triangle formula "Urms_triangle_ = Vp√t1/3T" which gives 2.8A x √72/3*770 = 2.8A x 0.1765 = 494mA rms
This multiplied by Vrms 10.06V gives 4.97W

So we got input powers: 4.42W, 4.29W and 4.97W by different measurement / calculations.
Each method has its own parameters, and although i tried to measure them as best as i can, none will be exactly right due to several fluctuations thus this outcomes.
But overall, if i would have to pick the most correct one i will vote for method 1.

Jagau for Itsu

All ideas are interesting to observe as you can see

Jagau

Chris's Waveform Experiment, RMS vs Average

2022-07-16T02:37:05.9630000

My Friends,

I want to share an experiment I have done, with Math Functions. I am taking 360 Degrees and converting each Degree to a point on a Sinusoidal Waveform:

So, the Math:

double Point = Math.Sin((Math.PI * i) / 180);

i = 0 then Point = 0.0;
i = 1 then Point = 0.017452406437283512;
i = 2 then Point = 0.034899496702500969;
and so on...

Example 1

The Below Data Points Represent the Data Points a Scope might capture from a Sine wave:

Sine Data Point: 0
Sine Data Point: 0.0174524064372835
Sine Data Point: 0.034899496702501
Sine Data Point: 0.0523359562429438
Sine Data Point: 0.0697564737441253
Sine Data Point: 0.0871557427476582
Sine Data Point: 0.104528463267653
Sine Data Point: 0.121869343405147
Sine Data Point: 0.139173100960065
Sine Data Point: 0.156434465040231
Sine Data Point: 0.17364817766693
Sine Data Point: 0.190808995376545
Sine Data Point: 0.207911690817759
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Sine Data Point: 0.275637355816999
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Sine Data Point: 0.3583679495453
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Sine Data Point: 0.5
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These Data Points Draw the following Sinusoidal Waveform:

The Peak Voltage here is 1.0 Volts, so the peak voltage value is controlled and can not fluctuate. This is true for both Negative and Positive Values.

The Calculated Mean or Average and RMS is:

Mean: 0.636603611829498
RMS: 0.707106781186548

These are expected Values for a Sinusoidal Waveform.

The factor 0.707 for rms value is derived as the square root of the average (mean) of all the squares of the sine values. If we take the sine for each angle in the cycle, square each value, add all the squares, divide by the number of values added to obtain the average square, and then take the square root of this mean value, the answer is 0.707. These Calculations are shown in Table 16-2 for one alternation from 0 to 180°.

Ref: Alternating Voltage and Current.

RMS was conceived specifically for Sinusoidal Waveforms:

For alternating electric current, RMS is equal to the value of the constant direct current that would produce the same power dissipation in a resistive load.

RMS means ‘Root Mean Square’ in mathematics. It is also referred to as quadratic mean. The RMS is very useful in many fields, particularly in electrical engineering and in the domain of signal amplifiers. RMS is very useful when the random variables in the data are negative and positive such as sinusoids.

Read more: Difference Between RMS and Average

Example 2

Now for a Alternating Square Waveform, this may be the H-Bridge DC, we get quite a different story!

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These Data Points Draw the following Alternating DC Pulsed Waveform:

The Peak Voltage here is 1.0 Volts, so the peak voltage value is controlled and can not fluctuate. This is true for both Negative and Positive Values.

The Calculated Mean or Average and RMS is:

Square Mean: 0.997222222222222
Square RMS: 0.998610145263016

Now, I have to say, Both Waves have been calculated using the same Math:

double Mean = 0.0;
double Integration = 0.0;
foreach (double Point in DataPoints)
{
     Mean += Math.Abs(Point);
     Integration += Math.Pow(Point, 2);
}

richTextBox1.AppendText($"{Type} Mean: " + (Mean / 360).ToString() + Environment.NewLine);
richTextBox1.AppendText($"{Type} RMS: " + Math.Sqrt((Integration / 360)).ToString() + Environment.NewLine);

Example 3

Now for a Pure DC Pulsed Waveform, lets calculate the Data. First, we get the following Data Points:

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These Data Points Draw the following DC Pulsed Waveform:

The Peak Voltage here is 1.0 Volts, so the peak voltage value is controlled and can not fluctuate. This is true for Positive Values Only, as we have no Negative Values.

The Calculated Mean or Average and RMS is:

Square Mean: 0.5
Square RMS: 0.707106781186548

Again, all Waves have been calculated using the same Math:

double Mean = 0.0;
double Integration = 0.0;
foreach (double Point in DataPoints)
{
    Mean += Math.Abs(Point);
    Integration += Math.Pow(Point, 2);
}

richTextBox1.AppendText($"{Type} Mean: " + (Mean / 360).ToString() + Environment.NewLine);
richTextBox1.AppendText($"{Type} RMS: " + Math.Sqrt((Integration / 360)).ToString() + Environment.NewLine);

It should be very clear to everyone here, that the total Area in this example, is Wrong for RMS!

Analogy:

Lets say that you're filling your Ice cream cup, and the flow of ice cream is regulated by the pump. We have calculated the cup size to be 100% full after 360 degrees of rotation of the pump. A technical fault occurs with the pump, and the ice cream only flows for 180 degrees = 0.5 x 360, or half the revolution! How much Ice Cream fills the Cup?

0.5 or 50%
0.707106781186548 or 70.7106781186548%

The Answer should be obvious!

This RMS Value: 0.707106781186548, is Wrong and it should be clear as to why RMS should Not be used on DC Pulsed Systems, especially if one has a Non-Linear Load!

Really simple, if we have 360 Data Points, and half are Zero, the other half are 1.0, then we do some very simple Math to verify this:

double AverageDataPoints = ((360.0 / 2.0 * 1.0) + (360.0 / 2.0 * 0.0)) / 360.0;

NOTE: The Oscilloscope has not recorded any Positive Data for 180 points! There is Zero Potential here, nothing! No Voltage Potential, so Zero is Recorded.

This should be enough proof, to show that it is important to correctly ascertain the right Value: ( Average or Mean vs RMS ) to use when Measuring specific Waveforms.

Non-Linear Loads

A perfect example of the importance of knowing what values to use for measurement, is seen very clearly in Non-Linear Loads, where Power can be sent back to the DC Source:

EG:

1.28 Watts RMS
0.0957 Watt's Average

I have provided all the data you need to prove this for yourself, please go ahead and do so! Its all there, accurate and straightforward. This very clearly shows some engineers don't get it right all the time! Adrian S. Nastase, PHD in Electronic Engineering, does not show these discrepancies, and derives RMS for DC Values, that maybe sometimes he shouldn't, just recently discussed. No disrespect to anyone, I am only making a point.

Best Wishes,

Chris

How to use Reactive Power

2022-07-09T11:02:54.1870000

In the video you will see a guy experimenting with resistors and capacitors. what he shows clearly is, that we can make use of reactive power for resistive loads! brillant demo and setup - enjoy!

videolink: https://odysee.com/@tankcircuit:a/Reactive-Generator-Tutorial:5?r=CJW48GgFtfBZfXWVGutqkoeKuXmTFBQq

efficient pulse generation

2017-09-17T04:51:46.7700000

In first diagram the pulse motor does its thing and pushes rotor in the N to north repulsion mode. 2nd diagram the dreaded lenz produces a counter force that goes against the rotors rotation upon cutt off of power (not Good), 3rd diagram we introduce a magnet at bottom of core with its true polarity in bold red so that when power is cut of we have a free ride with the inherent attraction force between north and south (no electricity needed). Yes all magnets rotating are in the North pole out so whats the big deal?? you will get pulsing d.c. so what?

Bucking Input Coils - Supporting Output Coils

2022-05-24T09:27:57.1800000

Hello Everybody,

as I found out in many experiments, the voltages in bucking output coils oppose each other, when the magnetic field in the common core changes. When there is no voltage, where should the current come from? The idea to keep things simple leads to new thinking of it. Here is the idea of a four coiler: I will try this setup next, the input coils are bucking, they will be switched on and off to a DC- voltage source. The output coils are "normally" in series, but there should not be any current in series, because the voltages of L3 and L4 oppose, due to bucking mode of L1 and L2. The current flows thrue the middle of L3 and L4, where the Load is. The currents thrue L3 and L4 induce magnetic fields, who cancel out each other. Because the currents oppose in direction and "meet" together to go thrue the load.

I plan a ring core, L1 and L3 should be wound above each other, as well as L2 and L4. The distance should be something between 5 and 10cm. A transforming effect can be achieved, by the winding - ratios L1 to L3 and L2 to L4. The partnered coils L1 and L2 should have the same values, as well as L3 has the same values as L4.

Are there any experimenters, who tried such an easy setup? It is just a "bucking"- transformer- principle. In conventional understanding, the load will be powered, the source will be "consumed". Maybe the input current rises very fast, there should be additional current from the bucking mode of both coil- pairs. When we shoot off, we hopefully get strong current from the decreasing of the bucking magnetic fields. The residing, measurable magnetic field should be very low, but it surely exists and contains some energy, which cannot flow across the load.

If this experiment is already done in other threads, sorry, I did not see yet. Then this thread could be deleted. There are so many coil- pulsers. In my understanding the goal must be to get as much current as possible thrue bucking coils with a minimum of input. This circuit produces bucking magnetic fields during on and off switchng. The load in the middle of the secondary makes the voltages go in the right direction, along with the current.

I belive, I have to try this. Either it works great or the induced voltage across the load is much too low and or has a very short duration, We will see, I keep you informed.

It should make no difference, when you set the voltage source with the switch in the middle instead of RL. RL goes to the place where the voltage source was. It shorts the L1 and L2 bucking coil. Both setups should be equal.

Kind Regards,

Andreas

POC effect

2021-08-27T16:44:35.2470000

hi friends,

i need a place where i can show some of the interesting scope-shots that we can get when working with poc-coils.

take a look at this one...

CH1: voltage from primary coil (series tank circuit)

CH2: current from primary coil

CH3: POC under load (resistive and inductive load in parallel)

CH4: Source dipole (input voltage)

when you look at the voltage from source you can see when the switching happens (on/off). the output on poc is pumped up by the circulating current. even when the switch is off, we can see the energy generation on the poc coil.

a second one taken at higher frequency..

instead of poc output we see the power which is circulating inside the tank-circuit and the power which is consumed.

have a nice day!

Aetheric_Mind bucking coil experiment

2020-02-27T03:14:42.2930000

Hi everyone

Here is my first attempt to replicate the opposing magnetic field interaction in a transformer.

Cross area of the core: 176mm^2 ( 15mm Dia)

Description of coils: L1 15 turns 20 AWG right hand, L2 66 turns 22 AWG right hand, L3 70 turns 22 AWG right hand flip on core. Switching L1 mosfet IRF 640 L2 diode 1N5408 L3 diode C82

Load on L2: small 1 watts bulb (12V) and 4,8watts bulb Stanley 12V.

Signal generator frequency: 3.510Khz, duty cycle of 23% (on time).

Oscilloscope: probe 1 (L1 input) 0,5Vdiv , input 2 (L2 parallel with load) 50mVdiv, 20uS time div.

My first impression is this:

If I load more the L2 coil , the sawtooth is more apparent on the load input 2 scope.

The negative spike wave is the charging of L1 is about 0,4 volts on the loads probe. The positive square wave is the input from the signal generator. After that there is a peak positive of 3,5 volts across output.

I think the charging of L1 is very fast.

Here is the circuit;

Any advice is appreciated

Thx everyone!

Change is never easy but it's worth inertia.

Magnetic fields: additive or not?

2022-03-11T16:31:26.8830000

Magnetic fields: additive or not?

The fundamental question is:

Is it possible to create with a radio wave a higher RF power at the output than at the input?

This is the basis of several aboveunity systems and proving it would be irrefutable proof that it is possible to create an aboveunity system. To create this experience I have to make two resonators which will have a notch at the chosen frequency. The notch is like shorts with a chosen frequency. It will therefore be two quarter-wave resonators at the frequency of 148 MHz.

Jagau

Capacitor recharging .

2022-01-05T17:54:24.0000000

Capacitor recharging
How to recharge a capacitor after having used the starting voltage?

We need to understand the behavior of a coil in the presence of a charged capacitor, I start the thread with an image of Vladimir Utkin which I was inspired by for my research and he has all the credit for it.
Image I focused on.

Important quote:
You need to charge the capacitor using the electric component of the electromagnetic field of the inductor.
The best way to understand what is going on inside the capacitor is to do this very simple little experiment.
Here is a very simple little diagram:

We charge a capacitor at +9 volts, and I discharge it in a coil via a diode (schottky) connected to an inductor. Very simple and uncomplicated instead of using switches you can do it manually it works great too.
We charge the C by closing Sw1 first to charge the Capacitor and we open SW1, then we close SW2 and importantly, we let it close because that's where the magic happens.
On the oscilloscope what we observe:

At the moment when the capacitor is connected to the diode it discharges from the maximum of its charged voltage and the positive curve appears, we note the starting hysteresis point followed by the discharge with time constant of +9 up to 0 volts (1.47 millisecond).

The negative curve is the interesting part and this is where we agree on most of our research especially when it comes to capacitor recharging.
When the capacitor is completely empty, the coil produces, depending on the inductance used, a reverse voltage (BEMF, electric field) from the magnetic field stored by the inductor.
We have here in a first phase, the discharge time (time constant) of the capacitor produces in the coil a rise time of the magnetic field in the inductance. And in a second phase, the decay time of the inductance's magnetic field produces a reverse voltage that recharges the capacitor in reverse polarity.

At zero crossing, the magnetic field stored in the inductor returns to the capacitor as a voltage (volt). This voltage is now negative from 0 to -7.22 volts and its maximum is almost equal to the original voltage minus the resistive losses of the circuit components. Viewing on the oscilloscope is a breathtaking detail of the behavior of two passive elements with at the end an onset of resonance from the diode and parasitic elements of the circuit.

We can say that time is doing things well for us and that this simple little circuit is close to unity.
So after understanding what is going on we could better try to understand and learn to work with Lenz's Law and use it to our advantage. As Chris has often demonstrated, it can now be visualized.

For those who would like to repeat the very simple experiment your oscilloscope must be in SINGLE mode, most oscilloscopes today have this option, it takes an instant depending on the programmed trigger point at extremely fast speeds. If you need help asked, I will accompany you.

Taking advantage of it in our research allows us to visualize this effect and helps us better understand the very important effect of capacitor recharging in a circuit using a C and an L.
It should be remembered that a capacitor is a passive source and it only produces when charged. Let's keep it simple for now, just trying to figure out what's going on with the image the oscilloscope produces.

Other observations to follow.

ùjagau

Current Amplifier Billion times

2018-11-17T12:25:26.5700000

Finally found Japanesse Tanaka patent for Current Amplifier (CA) and winding configuration.

Guess what coil configuration Japanesse had been used in CA ? Partnered coils !

Experimentally confirmed that current from I=10-8A (10nA) change magnetic flux densiy to 100Gauss (0,01T).

It means we have deal with Amplification coefficient of 1 Billion times (180dB). And all of these thanks to complex spin structure of magnetic conductor made from Manganese magnet and Amplifying dielectric element made from Carbon.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4290070.html

Магнитопровод из Манганина сплава меди 85 % , с добавкой марганца 11,5% и никеля 3,5 %

Manganese = alloy of 85 % Copper, 11,5% Mangan and 3,5% Nickel.