# Analysis of Non-Inductive Coil Experiment video series

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cd_sharp posted this 10 August 2021

Hey, guys
As I'm away and I can't experiment, I'll try to extract the main issues and possible solutions Chris is describing.
Video 1:

Chris is talking about the thread "Parallel wire or bifilar coil experiment". The goal of the experiment is to have 2 coils winded in parallel, having common ends, but conducting in opposite directions when subjected to a sine wave magnetic field. In addition, there is the goal of creating a magnetic standing wave that is magnetic resonance between POCs.
Because half of the output coil is non-inductive, the input coil creates a voltage only over the inductive half of the output coil. The non-inductive part of the output coil will see a voltage only when achieving magnetic resonance aka a magnetic standing wave in the core and double current in both parts of the output coil.
"Inductance defines how a coil carries current", a very important statement from Chris, something one does not find expressed so simple in books. The output coil does not follow Kirchhoff's law because it's partially non-inductive.
The non-inductive layer is tied in parallel to a bipolar cap calculated for LCR resonance. Chris explains this creates a phase lead. This is, in my opinion, about delayed conduction. One way to try to do delayed conduction is by using LCR resonance in one of the POCs.
The setup is not achieving a 180 degrees phase angle between the currents in the output coils. The phase angle measured is 252.5 degrees, calculated using the Above Unity Calculator. This is a method to measure the phase angle between 2 traces. There is, however a serious difference (2.73 times) in current between the output coils(layers), as Chris predicted.
There is reflection from the inductive part of the longer output coil. Chris is showing the input voltage. It should be AC, symmetrical square wave, but we can see there is a kick from the DUT which decreases the input voltage and pushes the input current up. I'd add it's decreasing the input coil impedance.
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cd_sharp posted this 10 August 2021

Then, Chris is removing the cap. He is showing us that by fiddling with the frequency, we can get 180 degrees phase angle between the output currents and almost equal currents. There is a curve charging and discharging both output coils because of the impedance. Output voltage is minimal, we're not in magnetic resonance. 3 Volts input and under 1 volt output with a turns ratio a little above 1 means we're not in magnetic resonance.
One cause is there is not enough coupling between the input coil and the inductive part of the first output coil.
The change in current of the input coil creates the voltage on the inductive part of the output coil. The change in current on the inductive part of the output coil should create the voltage on the non-inductive part.
What can be done to improve the setup:
- moving the input coil over the inductive part of the first output coil
- drop the turns in the input coil. This increases the voltage and the current in the input coil. The input current can decrease if the output coils enter magnetic resonance.
The inductive coupling between the input coil and the inductive part of the first output coil is showing that there is a step-down from input to output. We need to step-up the voltage.
"Our goal is to turn a couple of coils into a battery or a generator".
End of video 1. I hope I didn't miss anything important.

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cd_sharp posted this 10 August 2021

Hey, guys
I make an observation here which I think is very important. When experimenting POCs, we need to start low, with a 3-4V input as Chris has shown. We need to analyze the traces in great detail and fiddle carefully without increasing the voltage. If the setup is able to enter magnetic resonance, it must show signs even at such a low input voltage.
We should not increase the input voltage until we feel the device is on the right track to magnetic resonance. Otherwise there is a risk of damage, like I've seen practically multiple times.

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cd_sharp posted this 13 August 2021

Hey, guys
In a transformer, having a ratio above 1 between primary and secondary turns is a necessary condition for stepping the voltage up, but is not always enough.

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cd_sharp posted this 13 August 2021

Hey, guys
Video 2:

is saying that although most people consider E-field as being the voltage, he considers the E-field as current. When seeing the E-field reception into an antenna and noticing how and when the charges move inside the antenna, I can say that considering the E-field as current is a more accurate description of the phenomenon. We can have voltage without a magnetic field, so voltage is something else. Any other opinions I'd gladly like to read.
"A coil is an antenna", they both are pieces of conductors, they carry current and follow all the effects of this fact, they have E-field and B-field. They both can be brought into LCR resonance or self resonance.
The length of the antenna is half wavelength of the E-field wavelength, optimized for maximum E-field transmission and reception and resonance. Antenna resonance is very closely related to optimum transmission and reception. When an antenna is in resonance, the voltage and the current are 90 degrees out of phase. This is another reason why E-field cannot be the voltage.
I make a parallel here with the LCR resonance for coils which follow the same rule, 90 degrees phase difference between current and voltage.
The plane of the transmitter antenna and receiver antenna is important. As Chris points out, the coils follow the same rule from EM induction point of view.

To be continued..

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