POC effect

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baerndorfer posted this 27 August 2021

hi friends,

i need a place where i can show some of the interesting scope-shots that we can get when working with poc-coils.

take a look at this one...

CH1: voltage from primary coil (series tank circuit)

CH2: current from primary coil

CH3: POC under load (resistive and inductive load in parallel)

CH4: Source dipole (input voltage)

when you look at the voltage from source you can see when the switching happens (on/off). the output on poc is pumped up by the circulating current. even when the switch is off, we can see the energy generation on the poc coil.

a second one taken at higher frequency..

 

instead of poc output we see the power which is circulating inside the tank-circuit and the power which is consumed.

have a nice day!

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baerndorfer posted this 05 September 2021

i build a transformer for 230V/50Hz and make the secondary in POC-style... this is how the primary coil looks like

CH1: source voltage (230V grid)

CH2: current which is happening in primary coil

CH3: voltage after rectification on secondary

CH4: current through lightbulp on secondary

the voltage and current on primary is interesting. on the positive part of the cycle the current happens bevore the voltage - while on the negative cycle the current is in phase with the voltage. when we think of the opposing coils we know, that one part is always assisting the primary. so i think this is, what we can see here.

regards!

baerndorfer posted this 11 October 2021

the primary coil (yellow wire) is energized by a pulse-circuit (lowside switching). the trigger-coil is laying on top of the primary. the second e-core is with 1mm distance (paper) placed over the first one.

the opposing coil is mounted on the second e-core and each leg is rectified with MUR4100 to a FKP capacitor (2uF/400V). centertap is on other side of cap. in parallel i do a charging on LiIon-Cells (16V). So this is measured under load.

this is what the oscilloscope shows..

CH1 - this is the pulse which goes through L1 primary coil.

CH2 - this is the current which travels to the LiIon-cells.

CH3 - one leg from POC coil

CH4 - other leg from POC coil

again this transformer gets a single sharp pulse on the primary. the responce from secondary is as explained many times here on this forum

baerndorfer posted this 22 January 2022

when we switch from one to another potential we should do this as fast as possible.

CH1 (yellow) -> this is what the switch is doing IPA60R170CFD7

CH3 (pink) -> POC output under load (100W led array)

when we look deeper into the waveform we can see, that we have 3 frequencies...

when this happens you have much more output...

regards

Chris posted this 28 August 2021

Hey Baerndorfer ,

Excellent thread My Friend!

Most EE's dont have any idea about Power, they focus specifically on the Circuit with very little effort to focus on the inner workings or the "Generation" of Electrical Energy and what the Fundamental Requirements are for the "Generation" of it!

Their Scientific approach stops at the Benchtop Power Supply Terminals: (Marked in Red)

 

How the Energy, V x I x t = Joules, even gets there in the first place, is a complete mystery to most EE's! A shame, as Power is a very Important World Changing Field of Study, but very few do!

We are World Leaders for this very reason!

So many people may not understand your scope shots, jumping to all sorts of conclusions due to this very same missunderstanding, or lack of experience. 

The Active Pumping of Elementary Charge Carriers is a fundamental, yet extremely simple process, once one has a full understanding, and you can very clearly see your Elementary Charge Pumping in your Scope Shots!

Best Wishes, Thanks for Sharng My Friend!

   Chris

baerndorfer posted this 30 October 2021

for some reason there is no more heat on the coils.. heat is only visible at the load.

regards

baerndorfer posted this 21 May 2022

on the scopeshot we can see the input from grid - this is nearly 99% reactive power

the output situation consists of 2 POC-coil's

CH4 and CH3 are doing the same but inverted. as a result we get current impulses which are 2x grid frequency.

so in other words...

we can build a transformer which runs on reactive power and still can have beautiful rfesults on the output side.

Chris posted this 12 October 2021

Hey Baerndorfer,

This is excellent work My Friend! Thank You for Sharing!

Another machine that is very similar is:

 

The Video Here:

 

Title Translation: Магниторезонансный источник энергии = Magnetic resonance energy source

I have posted this device already Here.

This is excellent work My Friend! Thank You for Sharing!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

baerndorfer posted this 13 October 2021

have not seen this variant of the switching circuit yet. thx chris for flodding us with beautiful infos all the time

i like to add a thermal image where we can see how primary and secondary side are performing.

primary side is on the right, output is on the left side (poc coil).

regards!

Chris posted this 13 October 2021

Hey Baerndorfer,

One side Hot, one side Cold, just like the Yin Yang, I wonder why we see this, are we dealing with different Currents in each POC? I am speculating and can prove nothing in this area, so please understand, I keep this mostly quiet!

My Friend, this is totally awesome, great work!

Best Wishes,

   Chris 

Chris posted this 14 October 2021

Hey Scalarpotential,

Output from Partnered Output Coils, Voltage and Current is in Phase through a Resistive Load, Pure, Real Power.

Yes, Ohms Law applies, Current I = Voltage V / Resistance R and so on!

I do not understand the Scope Shots Baerndorfer kindly supplied. Baerndorfer's experiments are first class and always have been, but I cant explain what's going on in those shots. I am guessing there is a large Inductive Load, but this still does not explain the Voltage with very little, to no current! If Yellow was Current and Pink was Voltage, or the other way around, this would make more sense.

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Chris posted this 30 October 2021

Hey Baerndorfer,

This is beautiful work My Friend! Youre very gifted when it comes to POC as all here are!

Input: 12.33 Watts shown.

I am so pleased to see such wonderful results!

Baerndorfer and I have communicated on this via PM and this setup is very important I can assure you! Baerndorfer's work is first Class!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Chris posted this 21 May 2022

Baerndorfer is Correct!

Your Input Power, it can be Negative, meaning you get more back, than you initially put in! This is Reactive Power or Ping Pong Power!

All while your Output Power is Real Power, Active Power, it is Current and Voltage Phase Locked, real In-Phase Power Powering Resistive Loads!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

baerndorfer posted this 14 October 2021

hey chris, this is how the current from POC looks like..

on the first screenshot we can see the current on CH2 (cyan) which happens on POC leg1. CH3 (pink) is the voltage.

second screenshot: the current (CH2, cyan) which comes from POC leg2 (yellow) looks different - it hase more power.

the hot side from POC as shown in Flir-image is POC leg2.

have a nice day!

scalarpotential posted this 14 October 2021

So output I & V are not in phase and not according to Ohm's law?

Are the ringing oscillations caused by magnetic resonance?

baerndorfer posted this 30 October 2021

some images from yesterdays experiment..

and the scope..

again i'm producing this pulse with an IRFP460 - you can see it on CH1

CH4 is the voltage from cap who stores the energy coming in from dc power supply. we can see, that this cap is pumped up, when the switch turns off.

on top of that we have CH3 in pink which is the output of this thing. we can see a 400V flat line under load condition. in this case the load consists of 4 COB LED's (AC110/30W).

on first image you can see the total consumption of this tiny system.

the efficiency is not that high - maybe 80% i think. the COP is another story...

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all coils on this toroid are POC-coils. i get rid of ordinary coils completely with this setup. 

guys, this works brillant!

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