• POC: LED with only ground(mains AC power harvester)

POC: LED with only ground(mains AC power harvester)

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AlteredUnity posted this 23 April 2020

 

Ok, so I wound this ferrite rod, with measured lengths of wire. Primary on top right is bifilar wound connected in series. below that I have two coils, one CW, one CCW(partnered output coils). While doing test, and shutting everything off I realized the led was still slightly glowing. So connected oscilloscope, and you can see almost square waves at 60 hz. I attached a wire before the diode and when I touch it the LED brightness is increased quite a bit. The only thing hooked to circuit is ground. The picture, is of oscilloscope connected to where I would normally connect input, and the primary is a bifilar connected in parallel. After putting 3v input from signal generator, I realized the voltage spike and disconnected it, maybe error but still read 180v pk-pk. I later realized the 2nd probe wasn't connected, but gets a very interesting wave form, and at a distance still gets 1voltPK-PK. I have also tested with Klein multimeter, and got ~60volts(not in pic posted). I dont really know if anyone is able to help me understand what I am seeing, or help me safely test this circuit. Or what I can do to further my understanding, feel, and experience with these useful, easily made(if you want it), hard to understand devices. Btw: capacitor is not needed, doesn't help much, just provides a path for energy to/from ground I'm guessing. Attached wrong pic first fixed now. Sorry about lack of references, about 6months of reading PJ Kelly, Akula, Chris, Wistiti, was finally able to play with circuits.

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Deny posted this 23 April 2020

Hello AlteredUnity,

Please would you be so kind and provide a more detailed circuit or drawing of coil? I would realy love to try it  

In the past I did this little circuit 

was based on lasersabers circuit called sjr looper. But I think I changed a few things and no it works like this .

AlteredUnity posted this 23 April 2020

Definitely, when I get home I'll draw it out, and post specs from coils.

Fighter posted this 23 April 2020

Deny, could you provide details about the circuit in the video ? Thanks. It's very interesting, how long was the LED working ?

Zanzal posted this 23 April 2020

Hello AlteredUnity,

Great to have new experimenters joining us. 

If I saw this on my own experiments (and I have) I would conclude that I have induction from nearby live AC wire. For example, in my home there is a steel beam that runs next to a live wire that I tried using as a virtual ground but it is unsuitable as it will provide a similar AC signal. Even though the beam is not directly connected to mains, it is linked to live via induction.

In your experiment your core can experience the same effect if too close to a live wire, however, if the issue only crops up when you connect to ground then it sounds like improper grounding. Impossible to know for sure just by looking at the pictures/video. Presumably the wave looks square because it is chopped (it is definately a chopped sine wave and not a square wave). If you removed your core from the circuit and connect probes you may see the AC signal unchopped if the cause is induction. However, if it were me I would look for a potential difference between the neutral and the ground in my outlets (using a multimeter). Obviously, you have to determine if diagnosing the issue yourself is within your skill level for safety reasons. My opinion is not a recommendation to do anything unsafe.

From the standpoint of this type of experimentation, elimination of the problem is essential to ensure that your results are not skewed.

Deny posted this 23 April 2020

Yes for sure Fighter here is the video of the circuit running till it dies 

an here is the circuit 

Transistor is BC547B and the diode is SB160. Transformer is wound with the litz wire but I dont remember the turns. The blue wires are from the less turns coil and the white one is from the more turns coil wound on top of the first one. And the cap is 50v 470uf. 

AlteredUnity posted this 23 April 2020

Thank you Zanzal, I completely agree, and will find time this weekend to troubleshoot/verify, and also try other experiments. I know exactly what ur talking about because with the probe disconnected, I can see a perfect sine wave at 60hz. I've heard of devices that are powered like that but using AM signals. That was my initial thought, just wasn't sure because the wave form.

Fighter posted this 24 April 2020

@Deny, thank you sir I think I'll try a replication as a secondary project, I find it very intriguing

Chris posted this 24 April 2020

My Friends,

Great to see guys! Thank You for sharing!

The way I see it: "Little Steps for Little Feet" - take small steps forward and all will come together!

@AlteredUnity - It may be worth disassembling your machine, and just probe a simple coil. Look for any 60Hz signals. Your last thread, I guess you must have removed it? I suggested checking stray EM Signals. It is a possibility, I have seen it before.

Please note: I am not saying it is, only that's its worth checking.

@Deny - Nice work, very clean build! Nice to see!

Great work Guys! Very nice to see such progress!

Best wishes,

   Chris

AlteredUnity posted this 24 April 2020

What size/type of core is used? Didn't have time to follow your videos, but did you also use foil?

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Deny posted this 24 April 2020

The core is n26 pot core and it is 1.2cm wide thats all I know. No there is no foil like akula uses. It is very simple just two coils wound on each other. I tried different transistors and different diodes but for some reason unknown to me only these are working. In the past I used 2n2222a transistors those with metal housing as in the first video but experimenting with the circuit I accidetaly touched the housing and I blew like 8 of those. Also if I changed the diode for different one like 1n4007 it does not work.

AlteredUnity posted this 27 April 2020

Sorry took so long Deny, but I added coil and circuit pics.

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