The Mayan Calendar

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Chris posted this 15 January 2022

My Friends,

I would like to start a slightly off topic Subject for Giggles: 

This Subject originally stemmed from Zecharia Sitchin and in the video: "Sumerians and the Anunnaki"

 

I want to Reference this website: The mayan calendar end date is not 2012, its 2087, 100% proof here.

NOTE: On Dec 21 2012 there was a Galactic Alignment:

The Mayan Calendar uses the following Counts:

1 kin = 1 day
1 uinal = 1 kin x 20 = 20 days
1 tun = 1 kin x 360 = 360 days
1 ka-tun = 1 tun x 20 = 7200 days
1 bak-tun = 1 ka-tun x 20 = 144,000 days
1 pictun = 1 bak-tun x 20 = 2,880,000 days

 

The Mayans used a Base 20 Number System, thus the use of 20 we see above:

 

 

I want to start with the Mythological Date of Creation: 0.0.0.0.0, 4 Awaj 8 Cumk'u.

 

According to the Mythological Date of Creation, the Gregorian equivalent date is: August 11, 3114 BCE

It is said that the Mayan Civilizations were all abandoned by A.D. 900.

The Solar, Elliptical year is shown here:

 

A very good article here: Solar Thermal Systems: Components and Applications, explains more. So we have a total of: 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, 45.19 seconds of Orbit time.

The mean tropical year, as of January 1, 2000 was 365.2421897 or 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, 45.19 seconds. This changes slowly; an expression suitable for calculating the length in days for the distant past is 365.2421896698 − 6.15359×10^−6T − 7.29×10^−10T^2 + 2.64×10^−10T^3

 

Thus a Leap Year is every 4 Years, making 366 days, because every 4 Years, we need to make up a Day: 5 hours, 48 minutes, 45.19 seconds x 4 is roughly: 1 Day. 0.96875 not including the 0.19 Seconds.

So we have several questions, looking at the data:

  1. Is the Mythological Date of Creation Correct?
  2. Does the Mayan Calendar really end on Dec 21 2012? Or 2087.

 

I want to quote the above article:

So given that information, we know that the end of the 12th bak-tun and the start of the 13th, signifies the end of the cycle, the end date. So you when take 144,000 and multiply it by 13, you get, 1,872,000 days.

This is where it gets tricky. As you can see, the mayans used a sexagesimal numerical system. They called one year to be 360 days. Not 365.25 as in our current calendar. So when you take the 1,872,000 days, and you divide it by 360, you get, 5200 years. When you take the same number and you divide it by 365.25, you get 5125 years, which doesn't make any sense because that is no longer a part of the sexagesimal system.

The start date of the Mayan calendar, is supposed to be august 11th, 3113 BC so when you take 5125 years, and go into the future, you come up with the year 2012, right down to dec 21st. However, this is inaccurate because the math has taken two different calculation and combined them. They have taken our current calendar year, and mixed it with the mayans sexagesimal system, how can that be accurate, when the mayan themselves weren't doing the math with 365.25 in mind.

However, when you do the math properly, and divide 360 into 1,872,000, you get a mathmatically sound 5200 years. So when you add the 5200 onto the 3113BC, you get the year, 2087AD.... That is when the end of the calender occurs, if you are using mayan only calculations. Why would we use any other calculations? That just doesn't make any sense. So the mayan calendar is far from over! It won't even end in most of our lifetimes. This is something that our children will see, and hopefully it is the dawn of a new age and not the destruction of the world. I just hope we can make it to 2087 without killing ourselves first.

 

I agree with this, but the problem I see is: 2087 is the number of: Tun's and not Gregorian Years, we loose 5.2421897 Days for every Tun!

In other words, every 68.67 Tun's, there would be a complete change in Seasons! 68.67 x 5.2421897 Days = 360 Days!

Every 34.335 Tun's Winter would be where Summer is for example!

We need to ask, is the Mythological Date of Creation Correct? What if we have missed the 5.2421897 Days? 0.0.0.0.0, 4 Awaj 8 Cumk'u do we have the Date Correct?

Lets use the Gregorian Date 800AD, when the Mayans were still around, and we go back using the Mayan Calendar, that's a total of: 0.0.0.0.0, 4 Awaj 8 Cumk'u - 9.18.9.6.11, 2 Chuwen 4 Kumk'u = 1428971 kin's

Sound right?

  • 9 x Baktun =  9 x 144,000 kin's = 1,296,000
  • 18 Katun = 18 x 7200 kin's = 129,600
  • 9 x Tun = 9 x 360 kin's = 3,240
  • 6 x Uinal = 6 x 20 kin's = 120
  • 11 x Kin = 11 x 1 kin = 11

 

1,296,000 + 129,600 + 3,240 + 120 + 11 = 1,428,971 Right? So, 1,428,971 Mayan Days / Tun (360) = 3,969.363 Tun's, but if we divide by 365.2421897, then we get: 1,428,971 Mayan kin's / Years (365.2421897) = 3,912.393 Years... Really, a Day is a Day and the Hours, Minutes and Seconds are not counted in the Mayan Calendar as far as I know?

  • 3,969.363 - 3114 = 855.363
  • 3,912.393 - 3114 = 798.393

 

So the bottom figure: 798.393 is closer! However, this totally depends on How we calculated the Days in the original Calculation from Gregorian Date 800 AD used above! In other words, the Days Counted to this Date from the Mythological Date of Creation!

We could say: (800.0 - ((800.0 / 365.2421897) * 5.2421897)) + (3114.0 - ((3114.0 / 365.2421897) * 5.2421897)) = 3857.8237666282394 Tun's.

  • (800.0 - ((800.0 / 365.2421897) * 5.2421897)) = 788.5178879158384
  • (3114.0 - ((3114.0 / 365.2421897) * 5.2421897)) = 3069.305878712401

 

But is this Correct? So, when the Mayans were still around, they had: 3857.8237666282394 Tun's pass by?

Now, we calculated these days based on the Mayan Count, not the Gregorian Count, so for every Tun, or 360 Kin's, we are missing: 5.2421897 Gregorian Days.

Technically, we should not mix the Gregorian Count with the Mayan Count, this is a big BooBoo! We need to separate until such a time as we can convert Days to Kin's and Vice Versa! Assuming the Mayan Kin is the same as our Gregorian Day!

I would love to hear others opinions here! I would like to get to the bottom of this problem and have a concise answer!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

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Chris posted this 16 January 2022

My Friends,

Many good websites have data on the Mayan Calendar! I read that:

The Maya calendar in its final form probably dates from about the 1st century B.C., and may originate with the Olmec civilization. It is extremely accurate, and the calculations of Maya priests were so precise that their calendar correction is 10,000th of a day more exact than the standard calendar the world uses today.

Ref: The Maya Calendar

 

I can not see any math to show 10,000th of a day is really more accurate, but would like to see it. Thats a good link! Lots of good data.

It must be obvious to all who have done at least some research on the Maya, that this is all about Cycles within Cycles. In other words, one Age ends, another one Starts! To get to an Age, we have Cycles within this Age. Susan Borowski has written a good article: Myths of the Mayan Long Count calendar about this very thing.

I will say, I am writing this fun thread to further Research a new Star Calendar System based on several Ideas. I hope to merge most of the good, usefull Calendars into this system, for use. Just a fun project! A little like Star Trek Stardate.

As most of my projects sit waiting for others to catch up, I wait by doing side projects.

Best Wishes,

   Chris

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Chris posted this 16 January 2022

My Friends,

I must say, some inaccurate videos maybe a bit confusing?

 

That is much better!

I would like to quote:

How Does the Mayan Calendar Work?

The Maya calendar is a system of three interlacing calendars and almanacs which was used by several cultures in Central America, most famously the Maya civilization.

Illustration image

Close view of an ancient Aztec calendar.

 

The 2012 Phenomenon

The Mayan calendar rose to fame in 2012, when a “Great Cycle” of its Long Count component came to an end, inspiring some to believe that the world would end at 11:11 UTC on December 21, 2012. The media hype and hysteria that ensued was later termed the 2012 phenomenon.

Of course, the predictions did not come true—just like hundreds of other doomsday prophecies that fizzled out in the past.

Not a Mayan Invention

The Mayan calendar dates back to at least the 5th century BCE and it is still in use in some Mayan communities today. However, even though the Mayans contributed to the further development of the calendar, they did not actually invent it. The same system was used by most cultures in pre-Columbian Central America—including those predating the Maya.

Wheels Working Together

The Mayan Calendar consists of three separate corresponding calendars: the Long Count, the Tzolkin (divine calendar), and the Haab (civil calendar). Each of them is cyclical, meaning that a certain number of days must occur before a new cycle can begin.

The three calendars are used simultaneously. The Tzolkin and the Haab identify the days, but not the years. The Long Count date comes first, then the Tzolkin date, and last the Haab date. A typical Mayan date would read: 13.0.0.0.0 4 Ahau 8 Kumku, where 13.0.0.0.0 is the Long Count date, 4 Ahau is the Tzolkin date, and 8 Kumku is the Haab date.

The Haab

The Haab is a 365-day solar calendar which is divided into 18 months of 20 days each and one month which is only 5 days long (Uayeb). The calendar has an outer ring of Mayan glyphs (pictures) which represent each of the 19 months. Each day is represented by a number in the month followed by the name of the month. Each glyph represents a personality associated with the month.

The Haab is somewhat inaccurate as it is exactly 365 days long. An actual tropical or solar year, the time it takes Earth to orbit the Sun, takes about 365.24219 days on average. In today’s Gregorian calendar, we adjust for this discrepancy by making almost every fourth year a leap year, when an extra day—a leap day—is added on the 29th of February.

The Tzolkin

The Tzolkin, meaning “the distribution of the days,” is also called the Divine Calendar and the Sacred Round. It is a 260-day calendar with 20 periods of 13 days, and it is used to determine the time of religious and ceremonial events. The days in each period are numbered from 1 to 13. Each day is also given a name (glyph) from a sequence of 20 day names.

The Long Count

The Long Count is an astronomical calendar which is used to track longer periods of time. The Maya called it the “universal cycle.” Each such cycle is calculated to be 2,880,000 days long (about 7885 solar years). The Mayans believed that the universe is destroyed and then recreated at the start of each universal cycle. This belief caused the 2012 phenomenon described above, and it still inspires a myriad of prophecies about the end of the world.

The “creation date” for the current cycle is 4 Ahau, 8 Kumku. According to the most common conversion, this date is equivalent to August 11, 3114 BCE in the Gregorian calendar and September 6, 3114 BCE in the Julian calendar.

How to Set the Date

A date in the Mayan calendar is specified by its position in both the Tzolkin and the Haab calendars. This creates a total of 18,980 unique date combinations, which are used to identify each day within a cycle lasting about 52 years. This period is called the Calendar Round.

In practice, the date combinations are represented by two wheels rotating in different directions. The smallest wheel consists of 260 teeth with each one having the name of the days of the Tzolkin. The larger wheel consists of 365 teeth and has the name of each of the positions of the Haab year. As both wheels rotate, the name of the Tzolkin day corresponds to each Haab position.

The date is further identified by counting the number of days from the “creation date”, using the Long Count calendar. A typical Long Count date has the following format: Baktun.Katun.Tun.Uinal.Kin.

  • Kin = 1 Day.
  • Uinal = 20 kin = 20 days.
  • Tun = 18 uinal = 360 days.
  • Katun = 20 tun = 360 uinal = 7,200 days.
  • Baktun = 20 katun = 400 tun = 7,200 uinal = 144,000 days.

The kintun, and katun are numbered from 0 to 19; the uinal are numbered from 0 to 17; and the baktun are numbered from 1 to 13. The Long Count has a cycle of 13 baktuns, which will be completed 1.872.000 days (13 baktuns) after 0.0.0.0.0. This period equals 5125.36 years and is referred to as the Great Cycle of the Long Count.

Mayan Culture Today

The Maya still form sizable populations that include regions encompassing present-day GuatemalaBelizeHondurasEl Salvador, and parts of Mexico. They maintain a distinctive set of traditions and beliefs, which was inspired by a combination of pre-Columbian and post-conquest ideas and cultures.

Ref: How Does the Mayan Calendar Work?

 

This is the answer to my first post, where the Days and Years seen to fit better to the full Solar Year. Of course this makes some of my post Inaccurate, so please take not of this!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Jagau posted this 16 January 2022

Hey Chris

An old documentary (2002) that may interest you

 

Sixteen hundred years ago, a mysterious left-handed warrior seized control of the Mayan city of Copán, founding a dynasty that would last for 400 years. Eventually the Maya abandoned Copán and all other Mayan cities, which lay undisturbed for over 1,000 years. Then, in the 19th century, explorers John Lloyd Stephens and Frederick Catherwood stumbled on the vine-strangled remains of huge complexes of temples and monuments covered with strange portraits and hieroglyphs. In this program, NOVA takes viewers deep into the Central American rain forest to the resurrected ruins of Copán, a once majestic jewel of Mayan civilization which was inexplicably abandoned over a thousand years ago.


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