Water as fuel and more.

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H2opower posted this 06 September 2020

In this thread I will start going over just how complex this water for fuel technology actually is for it is anything but simple. So, lets start from the beginning, "Understanding the earth's Global Electric Circuit."

As far as the scientific community goes they are only now starting to actually look at how the earth's Global Electric Circuit actually works, but they are doing so in a way that will not allow them to see the whole picture being they are far too compartmentalized. 

Thunderstorms are earth's means to keep the air we all breath clean as when the conditions are right they breakdown Methane, Carbon dioxide, Carbon monoxide, NOx gases, and any molecule that happens to find it's way inside of these storms when they are highly active to include water molecules.

When it breaks down the water molecules it does so at near the bottom of the cloud the hydrogen then floats up to the top of the cloud and most of the time gets ignited which you hear and feel on the ground as thunder. It does this by way of Ionization as that is the key to breaking down molecules efficiently. When water is broken down into it basic elements like this it produces three things, hydrogen & oxygen gas, and electricity. This results in a run away reaction in the cloud system and lightning discharges begin to happen as the charge build up exceeds the electrical resistance of the air. 
The electric field  building beneath a thundercloud eventually has enough energy to break apart, excite and ionize nitrogen, oxygen, and water molecules. Nitrogen atoms by themselves are highly reactive. They will quickly recombine into nitrogen (N2) gas or into nitrous oxide (NO).  Meanwhile, excited nitrogen molecules emit blue light. Oxygen molecules likewise are excited. They may also release photons of light, but more often they react with unexcited oxygen molecules to create ozone, before they have a chance to. This ozone, which only lasts about an hour before it decays back into molecular oxygen, is often linked with the fresh clean smell after a thunderstorm (and yes it is a contributor to damaging ground level ozone worldwide). The air under a thunderstorm is very humid. Ionized hydrogen atoms split apart from from water vapor contribute red to the glow, so that ionized humid air glows violet. 

This is how mother nature (our creator) breaks down molecules for as I noted it will break down any molecule that gets in them when the conditions are right for it to do so. This is what Dr. Dingle and Meyer mimicked to get their cars to run with only water in their tanks for fuel. Now Meyer showed this diagram of his Voltage Intensifier Circuit.

Note you are actually looking at how to go about mimicking the earth's Global Electric Circuit electronically. Things to note up front that are very important is, this is an isolated circuit and it must remain that way. If you put a ground source in the water it will not be able to build a charge on the plates of the capacitor effectively. Do not stick your finger in the water when it is building up a charge. And lastly in order to read the voltage on a oscilloscope you will have to get a differential probe: https://www.globalmediapro.com/dc/CKG7/Test-and-Measurement/Test-Probes/Differential-Probes/?brandId=29 I have three such probes so that I can read the voltages in different spots to see what is going on. 

Now in knowing this is an isolate circuit more than likely Meyer never got his injectors to work as it wouldn't be able to build up a charge with the drawings he shown as it was in direct contact with the engine. But, unknowingly to Meyer it still would work from time to time and this was due to his Gas Processor. The Gas Processor would alter the incoming air supply to one that was suitable for the combustion of water. Unlike a thunderstorm the Gas Processor will not allow the excited oxygen atoms to combine with oxygen molecules as there would be none for it to combine with. Thus in the presence of fine water droplets/vapor a spark would be all that was needed to cause a oxygen replacement reaction where the unstable oxygen atoms would replace the stable oxygen atoms in the water molecules. The goal of this device is to strip up to 4-5 electrons away from the oxygen atoms from the incoming air supply and yes it too is a isolated circuit. So, don't put one of these on your engine if you have a MAP sensor or something else measuring the air coming into the engine.

Just like the Voltage Intensifier Circuit for water where water becomes a physical part of the circuit with the Gas Processor the air becomes apart of the circuit. To target the oxygen atoms you must use coherent light at the right wavelengths that will be absorbed by the oxygen molecules and excited oxygen atoms. This is the Gas Processor I made:

There are only three of these in the world right now as the machinist that made these for us had a minimum make and I teamed up with a few others to have it made. 

It took me a while to learn just how to hook the darn thing up and I ended up damaging my eyes because I didn't wear eye protection so be careful. Interestingly this device is why I created a company as back then when I had it made the company that sold the proper wavelength LEDs didn't sell them to the general public but only to companies so I created a company just so I could get these LEDs. 

So, how did I learn these are isolated circuits that must remain that way? I had a circulation pump on one of my WFC's and the pump burned out and I couldn't figure out why it burned out so I got another one and it too burned out. Just by chance I ran the experiments with the pump completely disconnected and noticed the negative voltage on the scope was much higher. I put a third pump on and checked it before turning on the VIC for conductivity in the water and sure enough there was a electrical connection from the pump to the water bath. So, I got a very specific type of pump that had no electrical connection to the water a solenoid pump. I also had a problem with the Gas Processor that shorted out the power supply and tripped the home breaker but at that time I didn't make the connection that it needed to be an isolated circuit and quit working on the device as it was quite spectacular when it shorted everything out to say the least.

Once I learned this I instantly knew that Meyer's Injectors never worked as they were designed for they grounded out to the car's battery. In order to get them working correctly the injectors have to made in a way that keeps them isolated from the car's electrical system. I know Meyer more than likely would have figured this out but due to his untimely death he was never given a chance to solve that problem.

Now that all of you can see the connection to this method of water dissociation you can apply this theory I came up with all on my own to understanding this outside of this technology.

"All Molecules can be separated into their component atoms by taking away the electrons from the atoms that make up the molecules."

This is the scientific connection that goes outside of the boundaries of this technology. Note to would be thieves I have already published this so don't try and claim this theory as your own!

For those that wish to aid my efforts to bring this technology to market you can do so here: https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me

 

 

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H2opower posted this 10 September 2020

Thanks Augenblink,

Interestingly that was when I first made the connection that this technology had something to do with thunderstorms, but I had much more to learn. I took an untested transformer to the event and showed the world that high voltage could be applied to a water bath for the first time ever and since as I haven't seen anyone else do this and it's been seven years now since the event.

This is the transformer that burned out on us. I have since found out that I hooked up the cell incorrectly and built a better one as that one had too many places to leak out the voltage. Everything in this technology needs to be thoroughly thought out. When I got back home I noticed that at low input levels only two cells were putting out any gases as the water's resistance through the array was greater than the water's resistance between adjacent cells and the current always flows through the path of least resistance so it was bypassing the array as a result. Again this is knowledge gained through "Observations" of actual experiments. Which cost me a fair amount of money to build a new and improved WFC based on what I had learned from past experiments. 

This cell was a lot better but at the time I didn't know the air around the tubes would start to ionize and thus needed to be isolated as well as I got the voltages up to operating levels for the technology it would again bypass the array as current flowed through the air itself by way of ionization and not over the top of the resonant cavities like the prior WFC did. So, I spent a lot more money and designed and made a new one.

This is showing the evolution of the WFC's I made over time from observing the results of my experiments. Take note of the input wires going to the cell as now they are on opposite sides of the cell so the charging current doesn't bypass the array going from negative to positive and is forced to go through the array and charge up the resonant cavity capacitors. Meyer solved this problem by disconnecting one of his resonant cavities I just wired it up correctly instead by splitting the cell into two halves electronically which put the negative and positive wires coming from the VIC transformer on opposite sides of the WFC. 

This cell is a culmination of all that I have learned on how to build the WFC's correctly by the trial and error method making use of the scientific method observing the results of my experiments. it has a baffled float level sensor for auto filling of the unit with water, a way to filter the water that doesn't disturb the water inside of the resonant cavities, and can be temperature controlled to test out which temperature works best for this cell. 

To this date I haven't seen anyone reach the voltage levels that are needed to get the atoms that make up the water molecules to ionize to the point of ejecting their electrons which is what breaks the bonds of the water molecules. Now if you build it to Meyer's specifications each resonant cavity will require a minimum of 1 kv of potential difference to start the process meaning 500 volts positive and 500 volts negative and each cell in the series array will divide the voltage equally so the transformer has to put out over 10 kv to this ten resonant cavity array in order to get it working correctly. One thing to note, if the system can ground out it will and you will not get much if any negative voltage potential on the plates of the resonant cavity capacitors it must remain an isolated circuit or it doesn't work as remember it is mimicking the earth's global electric circuit. It you make changes to the cell size, plate spacing, or even the amount of cells it changes the needed requirements to mimic the earth's global electric circuit. 

The reason why I post two photos is to show what Meyer posted and how it is supposed to look on your scopes as according to the rules of patents making you don't have to show the truth and Meyer didn't show how the waveform actually looks as what he shows is physically impossible.Meyer did this to hide the technology but if you make use of the scientific method and not just try and copy things you will learn this on your own. 

Now it would be nice to not be alone in all of this but I understand as it isn't cheap to learn this as I did as making use of the scientific method means you have to build things correctly, get the proper measurement tools, and set up the experiments so that you can learn from them by observing your results in a repeatable manor. In this thread I have given you all the goal as prior to this the goal was not known as who knew this technology was mimicking the earth's global electric circuit? Now that you know what this technology is mimicking in nature you should be able to make your own working units as you now have something to strive for. 

Take care,

Edward

H2opower posted this 28 September 2020

Hi Mr. Morgan,

No your not intruding as actually I wanted to talk about this subject as Meyer and I differ in that I started off as  mechanic and got into science and Meyer was not and it shows. Several times he attempted to basically recreate the wheel. The Gaseous setup should have used CNG injectors as it's just a gas just as CNG is. The injectors are already on the market ready to buy and making use of the quenching circuit technology there will be no flashbacks to the WFC. 

Had Meyer not been taken away from us I am sure he would have solved the injector problems as all that was needed was for those injectors to be totally isolated from the cars electrical system. The injectors Meyer made grounded on the engine block of the car so they couldn't create the negative voltage as needed to do with this technology. Though he did preempt the mass production problem by giving the resonant cavity of the injectors a tapper. The reason for this taper is that there will always be variances when producing a product as you can't make things spot on 100% of the time. The taper allow for wider ranges of frequencies to be use and have all of the injectors still function correctly. Here is a video you all should watch and pay close attention to the tapered waveguides as that is the primary reason for the taper in Meyer's injector design: 

As you will learn the taper gives you some slack as building things will always have a plus or minus tolerance to it. The higher the tolerances kept the more expensive things will be. I held the tolerance between the resonant cavities in the latest design to just ±0.005 inches. So basically each of the ten resonant cavities are practically the same but it is not perfect but very close to being perfect this way each of the tubes will have the same ring tone when tapped. 

I eluded to yet another way to get an engine running which only requires the injectors to spray a fine water mist in conjunction with the Gas Processor that has been truly supped up. The role of the Gas Processor will then be to alter the incoming air supply to one that is suitable to burn water. It does this by stripping up to 4-5 electrons away from the oxygen atoms from the incoming air supply being sucked into the engine. These unstable oxygen atoms will then move to replace the stable oxygen atoms in the water molecules and basically set the water on fire as these unstable oxygen atoms move to stabilize. All that is needed to get the process started is a spark same as any other fuel for use in internal combustion engines. 

So, there you have it three ways to run a engine with only water in it's tank for fuel. 

As you all can clearly see by now when I made use of the scientific method that act set me apart from everyone else dealing with this technology.

Take care all,

Edward

H2opower posted this 06 September 2020

This is a cross section view of the Gas Processor I designed. I designed it in such a way as to really protect the LEDs from the high voltage that will be applied to the Gas Processor. All the LEDs chosen put out coherent light and are pulsed so that they can used to push the electrons of the targeted atoms to higher orbits making it easier to strip the electron away from the atoms by way of high voltage ionization fields. It is perfectly sealed so no air leaks in the intake system of a car would be coming from this device. I also designed it large enough as to not cause much drag in the air flow as engines don't much like sucking air through a straw. This is a old design as I have since changed it but it is still very effective. 

My thinking was to correct Meyer's mistake in that he allowed untreated air to intermix with the treated air created by his air Gas Processor as with this design there is no untreated air flowing into the engine. It's tricky trying to figure out what wavelengths of light to use but I tried to target the oxygen molecules and atoms for electron extraction by using the absorption wavelengths of the Oxygen atom.

In Meyer's design I noticed that it allowed oxygen atoms missing electrons to interact with oxygen molecules and this will result in the creation of ozone giving the unstable oxygen atoms a chance to stabilize which was something I didn't want to allow as the goal is to send those unstable oxygen gas atoms missing electrons into the combustion chamber to be ignited with the hydrogen gas mixture. But after further review of this device I noticed if you stripped up to 3 electrons away from the oxygen atoms and spark ignited these unstable gas atoms with a fine water mist you would get a oxygen unstable to oxygen stable reaction where the unstable oxygen gas atoms would replace the stable oxygen atoms in the water molecules. So, now there was no need to break down the water molecules prior to combusting them in the combustion chamber. This process alters the incoming air supply so that the combustion of water is possible by basically changing the atmosphere to one that is suitable for the combustion of water. Most people don't know this as they never built and tested one of these devices. 

These chambers are made of aluminum which is then coated with electrolysis-Nickel as these unstable oxygen atoms will move to oxidizes anything they come in contact with so I had to choose a material that was very resistant to oxidization, something to think about in your designs. After all the machining and coating processes are done you have to polish the surfaces to a mirror shine as after all you dealing with laser energy. A lot of thought, planning, and work went into making these Gas Processors as I even had to figure out how to solder stainless steel which the inner electrode is made out of for the electrical connection. 

As you can see this technology is a lot more complex than Meyer lead on. 

Always remember, good observation is good science,

Edward

Augenblick posted this 10 September 2020

Friends,

As you can see in this video, Edward has developed a viable H2 system that goes beyond Stan Meyer's project at the time he left us.

Ed has worked out some of the anomalies that may have restrained Meyer's progress by isolating the various circuits, so they don't interact and short/overload.

The next step, as I can see its relevance to AU here, would be to have the electrolysis driver portion run above unity ... recovering excess energy at some point in the chain to replenish the power source. This could be done later in the chain, if convenient. Electrolysis would be a constant load to the POCs, and Hydrogen based power generation fed back to the power source ...

The interesting aspect of this is that hydrogen becomes an indestructable storage medium, instead of batteries alone, which age and corrode.

imho, our goal is to reduce, or eliminate, our dependence on a distributed/constrained energy establishment. If we could harness and manipulate the aether to do work alone, an ideal, but for now, we need to free the electron to work for us.

Nice research, Ed. You may have stumbled upon the technology here @AU that will help your projects to evolve. Thank you for sharing!

-A-

H2opower posted this 11 September 2020

In this post I will show just how this technology restricts amp flow through the water. It's all due to the type of waveform as in physics it has to do with the sum total of energy.

Now you all should be able to see this visually as the negative and positive cancel each other out. The area under the curve represents amp potential and when the waveform has equal negative and positive voltage the sum of those voltages cancels each other out. Each vertical line in the graph represents one pulse from a square wave sent to the transformer. Note it is a frequency doubler just as Meyer talks about as you send in one positive square wave pulse and you get one negative and one positive pulse which equals two, yes? In the graph five pulses are sent to the VIC transformer and the result is ten pulses on the oscilloscope five negative and five positive. But there is a little area on top of the zero line which is positive that will flow through the water between the series array. This energy will perform normal Faraday type electrolysis but it's very little energy as I measured the amperage to be 0.3 mA which really isn't going to do anything to the water in the way of electrolysis. This is the reason why the water temperature doesn't change as stated by eye witnesses to Meyer's technology in action as that little amount of current doesn't effect the water at all.

If you watched the interview video you will quickly recognize that what I am saying now I was also saying way back then but now I understand what in nature this technology is mimicking electronically. The reason for that is the technology is what it is and I was on to it way back then. Building it correctly takes good observation, time, and money for as I stated you are going to fail but you must get up, brush yourself off, and get back at it. I built a lot of WFC's before I got it right and note it must not have a way to release the voltage to a grounding source as it must remain a isolated circuit, and that goes between each resonant cavity as well for always keep in mind current will flow in the path of least resistance. So, watch the interview video that Augenblick posted of John Fraser gave Gunther and I at the Global Breakthrough Energy Movement held in Boulder, Colorado in 2013. This way you can all see for yourselves that the tune I am singing hasn't change all that much as for the most part I just added too it as I learned more about the technology. 

The green in this graph illustrates when the threshold for ionization of the atoms that make up the water molecules has been reached as all that in the green will be causing the atoms to eject their electrons. It is this action of getting the electrons away from their atoms that breaks down the water molecules into it's component atoms. 

Here is a actual scope shot of my waveform. Note I was still having issues with amp leakage between the resonant cavities and the negative voltage wouldn't built up correctly but you all should be able to make out the shape of the waveform and see why I wasn't pushing that many amps through the water between the resonant cavities as the area sum doesn't leave much amperage left. 

It should be clear now that I did in fact crack the science behind this technology. 

Enjoy everyone and be safe during these pandemic times,

Edward

H2opower posted this 11 September 2020

I wish you would actually read what I posted and ask questions in the parts you don't understand as then you would already know if you put a mister in with this technology it will ground it out and never work because you gave it a path to ground that it will take when you put a mister in the water bath and never be able to build up a charge on the plates of the capacitor. This is a isolated circuit and it must remain that way in order for this technology to work at being successful at mimicking the earth's global electric circuit. 

There is a magnetic coupling in the transformer between the primary, chokes, and secondary coils. The chokes, secondary, and capacitor are a isolated circuit that is seeking a ground but you can't give it one or the capacitor will not charge up. Everything comes into play here as the water is physical part of the circuit thus if you put the negative connection right next to the positive connection, IE, adjacent resonant cavities and the distance between the two adjacent resonant cavities is less than the combined distances between the resonant cavity array the current that was supposed to charge the cells will just leap over the shortest distance to ground as current always flows in the path of least resistance. This is the reason why Meyer disconnected one of the resonant cavities in his eleven WFC setup.

 

I use to have a photo of this showing that he disconnected one of his resonant cavities but that's long since lost now. Everything you see Meyer doing here has purpose as it is an electrically insulated unit as well as a isolated circuit. If it can find a place to ground out it's going to take it as those are the rules of electricity. But Meyer too made mistakes as he didn't fully understand the technology which is why he was getting ready to build a foundation to study this technology just prior to his death. 

The space gap between the resonant cavities of this WFC is 0.095 inches which gives a combined water space in the array 1.045 inches. If the distance between the positive and negative connections is only 0.75 inches which has the least resistance? Meyer built this WFC not understanding that and had to disconnect one of his resonant cavities as a result. To make matters worse he designed his injectors not understanding this need for isolation thus the reason why they never worked as the setup was grounded to the car's battery. So, he too had much to learn but was killed before his study institute could be built. Am I smarter than Stanley Meyer? Who knows? But the one thing I was given that he was not was more time to study the technology.

I would ask people to not post other technologies here and understand that I am giving you this technology, well the science behind the technology. So, please refrain from adding unknowns to this thread as this technology is no longer a unknown. When you make use of the scientific method it doesn't allow the constant adding of unknowns as you have to follow your experimental results following where that leads you. The scientific method is a proven strategy towards solving unknowns but it is limited to our five senses and thus at times we have solve things that aren't intuitive. 

Long ago when I started in on this technology this lumping unknowns together was one the first flaws I saw when people tried to understand this technology. People would lump one unknown with another and then turn around and call it solved. That is not a proven method of solving things we don't understand but the scientific method is. As much as I would plead with people to make use of the scientific method they would resist and tell me their method of solving unknowns was better than the scientific method. My partner Gunther told me they are just too stupid and can't understand things because their minds are simply incapable of thinking this heavily and having observed them in action I'd say I must agree with his assessment of these people. So, I go into this sharing knowing full well some out there will never be able to perceive this technology as there minds simply aren't wired up in a way that would allow them to understand it. If me asking any of you to make use of the scientific method seems like it's something you can't or do not wish to do then I will then turn around and tell you now this technology isn't meant for you and you should move on with your lives. This technology is by no means simple for as you just saw I pointed out some mistakes Stanley Meyer made and could do the same with Don Gable, and many others that have tried to understand or in Don Gable's case try and copy this technology. I am not being mean but only stating the truth. 

I am not here to lead people by the hand so that you can go into business competing against me with my brain power but here to share the science with those that can make use of it on their own as trust me this is just the beginning of a whole new era of scientific discovery just waiting to happen. 

These people will be competitors to this technology and their way will be to preserve the existing grid distribution system so what change will the end user see? More than likely none as if the end user doesn't pay their bill for any reason the folks in charge of the grid distribution system will look up their address and turn off the power going to that address. In sharp contrast what I will be doing will do away with the grid power distribution system putting the individual in full control of their own energy needs. The energy they consume will be produced right at the point of use and they will own that unit having to pay no one for energy once they have brought the unit from me or anyone else dealing with this technology that moves to set the end user free from the current system of energy enslavement we are all trapped in right now.

My apologies if I offended anyone,

Edward

dale morgan posted this 29 September 2020

Hello Edward,

I'm just Dale....

It's been a long time since I looked at Meyer's stuff. My old computer, which had about 20GB of energy files, took a dump so this is from memory and may not be totally accurate. My memory tells me that Stan was trying to do away with the FC and wanted to have the action happen in the injectors. Like a tankless, on demand, water heater. This would eliminate a tank of explosive gas in case of an accident. Like you, I don't think he made that part work.

I do not want to muddy the waters but empirical data can be useful for thinking purposes.

One of my Dad's friends, an electrical genius, became interested in the Fuel Cell. So he hacked one together, slapped it on his truck and drove up to Ohio from Florida on it. He sent me the Cell before he died and I still have it. Looks like junk.

This unit has a little over two thousand miles on it. Dick told me it produced a tremendous amount of gas. It took us a long time to convince him that current wasn't needed, just voltage. Anyhow, He had a mono port injection on the truck and on the way home the o2 sensor fried. Burned out from from an excessive EGT. Pressure from the Cell wasn't choked down enough to keep the flame temperature down to where it was supposed to be. The mixture was way too rich. Also the computer didn't like zero hydrocarbons in the exhaust. That's what he told me.... I myself don't know.

Here's the muddy part. When I opened his Cell up my brain locked up for a moment. Instead of having all the inner tubes wired together, and likewise with the outer tubes, he had wired it up in series thus increasing the total capacitance of the unit. Made me feel stupid. To my knowledge nobody else has done that. I'm probably wrong about that as my info is 15 years old now. As you said further up in the thread, there is more than one way to accomplish the goal.

I'm guessing you also have the Switzerland and New Zealand videos too. Alas, I lost mine with the old computer. But I'm on a different path for the past several years.

I think you have made more progress on the WFC than anyone else's work I've seen or heard about. You've pushed past the point where Meyer was with it. A greater understanding.

Have a glorious day!,

Dale

 

H2opower posted this 30 September 2020

Hi Dale,

Your an old feller like me, lol, clocking in at 53. I started in on this technology back in 2006 and like most I thought it was something easy to replicate. I'm pretty good at problem solving as I have been a mechanic since 1986 and that was one of my specialties. This technology ran circles around me at first as nothing Meyer was saying made much sense. So, I reached out to Dr. Dingle to see if he could clarify things for me but all he really told me was to keep at it making use of the scientific method, and I took his advise. 

Meyer would go on and on about how an atom gets ionized in the longest explanation I have ever seen so long that most didn't understand much of any of it. All he had to say was, "Then I ionized the atoms that made up the water molecules to get them to release their electrons," but he made a long drawn out novel out of it. Good thing for me that I am quite able to see very large pictures and condense it down to it's root meaning otherwise I think I would have been lost like practically everyone else. I had to learn Meyer's talk in a sense as the words he used had a meaning only to him outside of the dictionary, so I had to translate it back to english. 

Then a friend that had an inside scoop on the technology shared this photo with me and immediately I understood what was going on. When I posted this with an explanation what this photo showed man did Don Gable and a lot of others get mad at me. I was new to the technology back then and didn't know that they had been looking at this technology for close to four years and couldn't make heads or tales with it and then I look at it in just about 30 minutes and tell them that this was a way to lighten the load being placed on the transformer. I even posted an equation that let everyone know just what they were looking at 1/cs = 1/c1 + 1/c2 + 1/c3 + ,..., etc.  I even told everyone why Meyer had to disconnect one of the resonant cavities. I didn't expect people to get mad at me for sharing the truth about this technology when that was what people were asking everyone to do. But I think they were mad at me for sharing this photo as it was all hush hush back then, oops, lol.

Anyway I even made contact with Dave Lawton back in the day as I was really wanting to understand this technology. As my own experiments progressed I started really learning how this technology worked little by little. I got to the point where I really didn't listen to Meyer all that much as my experiments were teaching me loads about this technology. In 2013 I understood that this technology had something to do with thunderstorms. Once I looked into understanding thunderstorms much better I made the connection that this technology was mimicking the earths global electric circuit. 

But like you I lost a lot of data when my old PC and backup USB stick took a dump on me at practically the same time. Good thing a lot of the information was in my head so I could recreated it. 

Well, time for some sleep,

Edward

H2opower posted this 21 October 2020

In this thread I painstakingly went through the science behind this technology showing very clearly that this technology is mimicking the earth's Global Electric Circuit. There are no more unknowns due to the time and effort I have put into getting at the science behind this technology making use of the scientific method as I did. I left no stone unturned as far as I can tell. It took me over ten years to get at the science behind this technology and even more time to get to the point to where I am now ready to actually launch the technology into the marketplace. I don't deal in unknowns so I simply ignore all of those unproven things you mentioned as it has nothing to do with this technology. 

This is not ELECTROLYSIS! This technology mimics the way mother nature breaks the bonds of the water molecules as such when the water molecules are broken down in this fashion you get hydrogen, oxygen, and the generation of electricity as the electrons remains in the water bath and will build up a charge as a result on top of the electricity being put into the system by the charging chokes. In a typical thunderstorm this method of water dissociation results in a runaway voltage condition as hydrogen and oxygen are generated for the electrons remain in the cloud and the storm system starts to have many lightning strikes as the potential difference builds up to the point of overcoming the air's resistance to current flow by way of ionization. This is the real science behind the technology with no more unknowns left to solve. 

You see, with this technology I can break the bonds of the water molecules by simply altering the incoming air supply being sucked into the combustion chamber by striping the oxygen atoms of up to 4-5 of their electrons with the Gas Processor. At this point water become combustible in this newly created atmosphere created by the Gas Processor so that all one needs to do is inject a fine water mist into the system and ignite the mixture. The mixture will consist of fine water droplets, oxygen atoms missing electrons, and other gases that are also present in our air supply. Where is the electrolysis being performed in this situation? If you add a salt, acid, or base to the water the process will not work. Electrolysis is the opposite of this technology where current is being used to break the bonds of the water molecules. With this technology voltage potential is being used to break the bonds of the water molecules or in the other case I just shared with you oxygen gas atoms missing electrons will break the bonds of the water molecules. 

I am beginning to think this thread is becoming too long as people seem to be just skimming it and not actually reading everything I posted in depth.

In this circuit the switch (blocking diode) is either "on" or it's "off" with some small amount of current leakage taking place with the diode one chooses to use as shown in the video posted earlier in this thread about the Schottky diodes. When the switch is on the capacitor is discharging and when the switch is off the capacitor is being charged. I guess I need to clarify what I mean by off and on. On is a closed circuit condition and Off is a open circuit condition I say this to rule out any confusion. This technology is not simple and the cost of building it correctly is, for now, on the high side as even getting the tools one needs to be able to read this technology correctly will set you back a bit as these tools aren't cheap. 

Hope this post helps in your understanding of this technology.

Edward

H2opower posted this 22 October 2020

My aim in being on this forum is to help people understand the raw science behind this technology as for too long have people been in the dark about this technology. When I look over all the many different types of OU technologies this one stand out the most. Why you might be asking? When done properly it truly has no equal as you will note I haven't talked about the EPG device at all for I view that device as too dangerous for the general public to deal with. 

Let me explain my fears of this side of Meyer's technology. I had a dream where a truck load of this gas was being transported on the highway and it got into a accident and created a dead zone where electronic devices would no longer work because they got magnetized. The gas is colorless, odorless, and magnetic. It is also something mother nature has never had to deal with before so as a result I will not teach about this technology and do my best to make sure no one learns how to go about making the magnetic gas. The worst of my dreams about this magnetic gas is someone got a hold of it and took it to a Nuclear Plant and released the gas near the electronic cooling towers. The result was a total meltdown of the plant as they simply could not figure out why all the the computers were no longer working. So, in my humble view this part of Meyer's technology is too dangerous. 

But I am thankful of all of your renewed interest in this technology as I have worked on it for a very long time now and know just what the full impact it will have on all of our lives. Cars running down the road actually cleaning the air as they are driven will indeed turn the tide on climate change. Homes and businesses no longer hooked up to a grid tie power distribution system where the owner of the device will be in full control of their own energy needs and the list of changes goes on and on. But, I also understand that this is just the beginning of a whole new era of scientific discovery just waiting to happen. Plus on top of all of this I really don't see any other power generating technologies surviving this once it becomes mainstream. I think this is the primary reason why those that sell and distribute energy to the masses teamed up to work together to stop this technology at every turn as the list of friends it has is very short.

I am sorry if I come off as mean or arrogant as that is not my intention as I have just looked down the road with this technology and that future is very bright for all that live on the planet when this technology goes mainstream. I guess you can say I am very passionate about this technology to the point of not really giving any other competing technologies a chance as I truly don't see any future for them. If you look at the big picture it looks like humanity has now learned how to tap into the very thing that keeps all life on this planet going as without the earth's Global Electric Circuit there really would be no life as we know it on this planet. As remember plants that are responsible for the oxygen we breath also break the bonds of the water molecules in this fashion at their core when comparing the science behind it all. 

Just imagine when I was just one years old there was a man driving a president of a country around in a car with nothing but water in it's tank for fuel. His name was Dr. Daniel Dingle of the Philippines, and yes I got in contact with him before he passes away. This technology has been suppressed for over 52 years now by the powers that be, but now their tables are full to the point they no longer thought this technology was a threat to them and let someone like me live.

There is something that puzzles me though and that is why hasn't anyone ever ask me these two questions before; "Why are you getting such high voltages being applied to your cell and the rest of the people working on this technology are not?" Followed by, "What is it that you are doing differently than everyone else is doing?" 

At the 2013 Global BEM I showed over 7 kv being applied to the water fuel capacitor and to the best of my knowledge no one has even come close to those voltage levels prior too or since then and over seven years has now passed by since that event.

Well, this is enough for now and again my apologies if I come off as being mean or arrogant. Just know this is a gift I have given all of you reading this and perhaps I will give more in the future that go beyond just giving you the science behind this technology.

Take care all,

Edward

H2opower posted this 06 September 2020

I wish I could understand what's being said in the video. The Joe Cell is one I don't fully understand but I too have one and from what I can tell it produces a lot of h3o+ that sits on the surface of the water and when a vacuum is pulled on the water creating water vapor h3o+ can't exist in water vapor form and a free monatomic hydrogen gas atom is produced. But that's just a guess as I haven't figured that technology out as of yet.

Now I have been able to relate this to the way plants break the bonds of the water molecules also as take a close look at this diagram:

As you can see once the electron is taken away from the water molecule it breaks down and the plant catches the hydrogen atoms and lets the oxygen atoms lose as the plant has no need of it. It's all related as the act of taking the electron away from the water molecule breaks it down into it's component elements and as I stated it also produces electricity which the plant makes use of to live. 

Think of it this way, "How many ways do we know of to get the electrons away from their atoms?" Each of these ways can be used to break the bonds of the water molecules. An example of this happening that most people missed is when the Fukushima reactors blew their tops off. The radiation was strong enough to knock off the electrons from the atoms that make up the water molecules and doing so created hydrogen and oxygen gases plus started building up a charge in the water bath. Once that charge was high enough to create a spark it ignited the hydrogen and oxygen mixture that was trapped in the building and I think you know the rest of that story.

Now you can see the importance of the theory I came up with as any action one can use to knock off the electrons from that atoms that make up the molecules will cause those molecules to fall apart. Ionization, radiation bombardment, electron extraction as the plants are doing, and the list goes on. The important part is now you have a tool that you can use to asked questions to previously unknown problems and get a solution to those problems and/or mysteries. 

H2opower posted this 06 September 2020

is an experiment very related to what Dr. Dingle and Meyer did and note it is producing hydrogen and oxygen but they aren't testing for it as my theory isn't widely known as of yet. But this happens due to water's auto ionization ability as no matter how pure the water is it will self ionize as the water molecules move about together. Without this property I do believe no life would exist on this planet as it's one of the creator's little secrets.

This is called "The Kelvin Water Drop Experiment," or "Kelvin's Thunderstorm," and it is very much related to what's going on with this water for fuel technology. Again something to note is they aren't looking for the presence of hydrogen and you can't find what you are not looking for. The hydrogen is being produced in the paint can labeled "B," in this experiment shown in the video.

 

Here is another video that you should all pay very close attention too what these scientist are saying as they try and describe what it is they are seeing with Meyer's technology: 

These are actual "Eye Witnesses," so what they are saying is most important and you must observe the observer and pick out what they missed as well as pay attention to what it is they say they saw and observed as they witnessed Meyer's technology in action. It is key to seeing if your experiment is progressing in the right direction or not for if you observe that the temperature is rising in your experiments then you should automatically know you are doing something wrong and go back to the drawing board and try again as one of these "Eye Witnesses" states that the device will run for a half hour and the water's temperature hasn't changed. 

 

In this video you will see the WFC producing very large bubbles but if you look closely you will observe that the bubbles just don't rise to the surface as they dart about because they have a charge on them. This is the WFC that I broke that I got up to 3 LPM and note it only has three resonant cavities. 

I also found out that if you push water into the tubes it will mess up the effect as it pushes the water molecules out of alignment within the resonant cavities. Only when the water is being broken down at such a rate that it can't draw water into the resonant cavities fast enough can you push water into the them and not mess up the effect but the rate of water flow through the resonant cavities has to be carefully controlled. 

 

I'd like also add in this video as you can see how the water molecules behave when they have a charge as they will make a torus and imagine this taking place on a large scale like a thunderstorm and you can see why it's a runaway reaction: 

This is just me as I was learning the secrets of this technology,

Edward Mitchell

H2opower posted this 09 September 2020

Now this goes with another thread I saw http://www.aboveunity.com/thread/recommended-scientific-method/ and is how I went about getting at the science behind this water for fuel technology started by Dr. Dingle of the Philippines. 

It's a slow process when there are a lot of unknowns, the inventor your trying to back engineer tries to hide things, and yes you will have to spend a fair bit of money performing the experiments correctly as you need to get all the measuring devices as well as perform the experiments in a thoughtful manor. You have to build things correctly which too has a trial and error process you will have to go through before you get it right. Just know you are going to fail but learn from those failures, brush yourself off, get up and try again. 

If any of you think for one second it was easy to get at the science behind this technology you are wrong as it took a lot of failure before I got at the truth. Now I can't put everyplace I found that shows the raw data on the net as I "Observed" that when I'd do so that information I found on the net would be taken down by someone or some program but the results is if I shared these things on a the forums they would be taken down so I stopped sharing these things as a result. 

Augenblick posted this 11 September 2020

Ed,

We understand. It's very difficult to restrain our enthusiasm to help out, since the trolls are nixed at the front door. I see that you are attempting to give us a thorough rundown of the project you have developed to date. It is wonderful that an environment has been created and defended so advanced experimenters like yourself don't feel intimidated.

Have patience with us as some are likely to latch on to what possibilities this technology has. There are a lot of threads here that many of us try to follow as faithfully as possible, yet we have our own experiments in play as well. Time ...

Great work, and great job describing things in such detail. Thank you!

-A-

H2opower posted this 12 September 2020

This is my old friend Max Miller and in this video I just want to focus your attention on the WFC in the background as that is the best way to make these WFC's as it forces the electricity to do what you want it to do. What's he talking about in the video I have no idea and really don't care? But that cell in the background is better than any that I have built to date for this technology and I give props where props are due. Just make sure that the spacing between the resonant cavities is good enough to ensure they will not effect one another as they are charging to reach the ionization voltages for the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. 

Now figure 3-25 in the technical brief shows basically what the idea of these resonant cavities are to be, but Meyer either didn't have the drafting skills to convey information graphically effectively or mislead people. The way it is drawn has no hidden lines which makes it appear that the metal bar is somehow free floating in the water inside of the resonant cavity. Plus he leaves off the added material of the insulation housing that further insulates the resonant cavities from one another. 

With the use of drafting programs like AutoCAD you can easily make measurements of the distance between the electrodes and the distance between the resonant cavities to each other once you have it all drawn up. This is precisely how I calculated the total distance between all the resonant cavities in the series array and compared it to the physical distance between the negative and positive connections. I kept my thinking simple and put distance as water resistance as then it's either less than, greater than, or equal to in terms of seeing which way the current is going to flow as again the current always follows the path of least resistance. But there is a shared flow as it's is going to flow outside of the resonant cavities to some degree and I think that changes as the voltages are risen. When the voltage reaches the ionization potentials of the hydrogen and oxygen atoms it becomes far more conductive to electricity and these charge gases exit the insulation chamber with their charge as seen in one of the videos I posted here showing the bubbles darting around. 

This illustration shows what the water molecules are doing inside of the resonant cavity as it is a polar molecule that will align itself with the potentials put on the plates of the capacitor. Now this is just to give some visual clues as to what's taking place with this technology as I think it's more like the thunderstorms in that they break the bonds of the water molecules near the negative side of the cloud and it then rises to the top of the cloud and gets ignited by the voltages it runs into there we hear and feel this as thunder at the ground level. So, the yellow zone is more than likely more towards the negative side than is shown here. Meyer turned the cloud(s) to be vertical so that the gases escape without being ignited by the positive side. 

Adding more material to further insulate the resonant cavities is a good thing and what Max Miller showed is the best way to design these resonant cavities arrays in a single container. Just so you have it in your minds the short wire connecting the cells to each other has far less resistance than the distance of the water from cell to cell which represents the water's resistance. And since it is in a straight line there is no cheating as the positive and negative connections are as far as they can possibly be away from each other with that design. Way to go Max! 

Chris as for altering that post I made I think I will leave it standing as is for I want people to know that doing something like that on someone's thread is like yelling squirrel. I looked at the technology he showed and it basically just replaces the power generating plants leaving the grid system completely intact, thus the end user, us, are still left paying whatever they deem they want us to pay for their energy. The way I am attacking the problem is to totally do away with the grid system putting the individual in full control of their own energy needs. I think of it as how the cell phone bypassed all the blocking the old phone system was doing to the poor countries whom couldn't afford large loans to put up telephone poles all over their country as the cell phone towers leapfrogged that old technology and I see this technology doing the exact same thing. 

I have a plan that I am following as best I can it just takes time and money to set up shop,

Edward

 

 

H2opower posted this 28 September 2020

Hello Again Raivo,

If the electrolysis cell (actually radiolysis) is like 2 electrodes that are like a capacitor (C) and water is a load. It will form a series resonant circuit with charging coils (L). However, charging coil have also their parasitic capacitance (C(L)). So we have coil parasitic parallel resonance that actually limits the current flow at its resonant frequency

Basically we are dealing with RLC circuits on both sides of the capacitor plates separated by a diode, IE, the blocking diode. But the primary difference is the capacitor is a variable capacitor as it produces gases those gases push out the dielectric water resulting in a loss of capacitance. As the capacitance goes down the resonant frequency go up and if the circuit can't keep up you will see a large discharge of bubbles and then it stops as the RLC circuit went out of resonance as the capacitor discharges far too quickly to maintain the ionizing voltage for the hydrogen and oxygen atoms for at resonance the inductors act like really large resistors. Meyer tried to illustrate this in these drawings:

The blocking diode is just a switch that is OFF when the capacitor is being charged and ON when the capacitor is being discharged. I recommend using a Schottky diode as they can keep up with the switching speeds required for these frequencies we use as it's too fast for regular diodes to keep up. In the video you can learn more about the differences of Schottky diodes vs Silicon diodes.

Now when you look at the positioning of the blocking diode in the circuit it is uneven as it is much harder to charge the negative side of the capacitor than it is to charge the positive side. On the negative side you have the secondary and choke charging the negative voltage which is why I always use the same number of turns on all three coils. On the positive side you have just one choke charging it up. If the transformer isn't robust enough the negative side will not charge at all and you will get just pulsed DC being sent through the WFC as shown here. 

As you can see the area bound between the zero line is mostly positive thus pushing a lot of current through the water bath. This cell will heat up as a result which is a tell tell sign that something is being done wrong. The scope is telling the truth as this waveform is sending all that current above the zero line through the water bath to perform normal electrolysis. The waveform has to be somewhat balanced having as close as possible the same negative voltage as it has positive voltage being put on the plates of the capacitor(s). It starts off okay but the transformer gives out after two-three pulses.

I no longer think of these as parallel circuits with parasitic losses and just keep it simple with RLC circuit equations. This site will help you learn more than most about understanding RLC circuits.  https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/accircuits/series-resonance.html

As far as adding laser energy into the mix I will get to try it out with my next WFC design when it's built. The wavelengths of light used should be fully absorbed by the targeted atoms. 

Question2: In the nature... hmm... there is DC potential. So - do we need DC potential or DC in resonant pulses to overcome H and O attraction? (or was it about just ionization and disassociation will be natural) What does science tell us?

There is AC potential not DC as just DC is normal electrolysis but the diode makes sure the current only flows in one direction. The negative potential attracts the hydrogen atoms and the positive potential attracts the oxygen atoms. Both atoms have practically the same ionization energy requirements 1312 kJ mol​-1 and 1313 kJ mol​-1 respectively. Thus they will both go into ionization at around the same energy input and start ejecting their electrons. No electrons no water molecule as it truly is that simple as the electrons are the glue that holds the water molecules together.

Question3: Meyer mentioned he used the heating system in his car (water tank or somewhere). I know - there exists a tech that if you do not want electrolysis, you use AC (and some add magnetic fields) and then all gas will reverse to water and creates a lot of heat.

That device was ready for production when Meyer passes away. But it's sort of simple in a way as all that is being done is the water molecules are being asked to turn back and forth quickly which generates molecular friction by switching the polarity of the field rapidly. 

Hope this helps,

Edward

H2opower posted this 14 October 2020

In this post I will go over what adding the "None Combustible" gases into the combustion cycle actually does. 

This is really a simple concept that I am surprised many got wrong. By adding the non-combustible gases to the mix these non-combustible gases physically get in the way of the oxygen and hydrogen atoms trying to come together when ignited thus slowing the burn rate of the reaction. The perfect analogy to this is traffic on our modern highways. Say if you travel a set distance on the I-405 in California near Los Angeles and you time your trip. The conditions of your trip is with no traffic and you can go from point A to point B without hinderance. Now take the same trip during rush hour and note the time it took for you to get from point A to point B took a lot longer than the trip without traffic and ask, what happened? Well, that's now an easy answer, all the other cars on the highway were physically in your way thus slowing you down considerably, yes?

This is the exact same thing taking place to the hydrogen and oxygen atoms trying to come together when spark or heat ignited in the combustion chamber. All those none combustible gases act like a traffic jam slowing the rate at which the hydrogen and oxygen atoms can come together to form water. If you control just how much non-combustible gases enter into the system you can control the burn rate to co-equal any other existing fuel as the hydrogen and oxygen reaction is the fastest of the fuel chemical reactions. So, if you wish to slow it down all you do is put it in a traffic jam by adding in non-combustible gases to the reaction process. 

I really don't know how this was misunderstood as it's very simple stuff, but I guess if science is tossed out the window messing this up is possible. I am pretty sure that most of us have been in situations where we have been in some sort of traffic jam be it on the road or just walking on the street so it should be very easy to see what adding the non-combustible gases will do to the over-all reaction between hydrogen and oxygen when spark or heat ignited. This is one of the most intuitive parts of Meyer's technology as it is something we should all have had some experience in as we have all been in some sort of traffic jam in our lives. You can even think of it as trying to purchase something at your local market. If you go to buy the item and you are the only one in the store then you just go the the cashier and buy it, but if you go and there are a lot of other people and a line has formed it will take you a lot longer to buy the item as now you have to wait your turn in line. Like I said this is something we have all had to deal with at some point in our lives so it shouldn't be all that hard to understand.

The reason why I am posting this is due to this video where the author got this technology so wrong in trying to explain it it truly isn't funny: 

This is a primary example of people not giving science a chance so be careful whom you listen too as very few truly understand how this technology actually works.

Edward

H2opower posted this 28 November 2020

I wonder if this will have any bearing on what it is we are doing? 

Sound Waves

Sound is a longitudinal wave, which means the wave varies in the same direction as it travels. For sound, this variation comes in the form of a series of compressions (regions of increased density) and rarefactions (regions of decreased density) in the medium through which it travels, such as air or a solid object.

 

The fact that a sound wave is longitudinal means that the compressions and rarefactions hit your eardrum one after another, rather than multiple “wavelengths” hitting it at the same time. Light, by contrast, is a transverse wave, so the waveform is at right angles to the direction it travels.

Sound waves are created by oscillations, whether these are from your vocal cords, the vibrating string of a guitar (or other oscillating parts of musical instruments), a tuning fork or a pile of dishes crashing to the floor. All of these sources create compressions and corresponding rarefactions in the air surrounding them, and this travels as sound (depending on the intensity of the pressure waves).

These oscillations need to travel through some sort of medium because otherwise there would be nothing to create the compression and rarefaction regions, and so sound only travels at a finite speed. The speed of sound in air (at 20 degrees Celsius) is around 344 m/s, but it actually travels at a faster rate in liquids and solids, with a speed of 1,483 m/s in water (at 20 C) and 4,512 m/s in steel.

If so then perhaps I really do have to try and build that "Schlieren optics" thing so that I can possibly see what is going on as sound travels differently in water than it does air or solid objects. Since this is showing us water is clearly part of the circuit as all we are sending to the resonant cavities are electrical pulses which seem to act on the water like a magnetic field coil winding in a loud speaker and the perinate magnet. Lot's of unknowns at this point so I have to get to testing these things out soon to get some answers.

 

The water molecules might act in a wavelike manor between the plates of the capacitor. I know already that if you have the resonant cavity energized and pick it up out of the water the water will not drain out at certain frequencies. I have done this with plate and tube type resonant cavities. So, again much testing is now needed to give answers to all of the many questions we might have about this resonant behavior taking place within the resonant cavities since water is part of the VIC circuit.

This can be done and hopefully understood scientifically but for now much work remains as I again make use of the scientific method to aid my understanding of just what is actually going on here.

Edward

H2opower posted this 27 September 2020

I'm going to go into this method of water dissociation a little bit more but please start asking questions as then I can help with your understanding of this technology. In the above photo I show what I thought to be taking place inside of the resonant cavities. However in reading this from a different perspective I left out parts of the complete reactions taking place as shown in this photo below.

As you can see the reaction I saw in my little three cell resonant cavity experiment yielded monatomic hydrogen gas atoms which are larger than their diatomic form which is why the water appears to be boiling, which is even stated by eye witness accounts of Meyer's tech in action. The technology pushes things to the left as shown in the drawing above and you end up with a lone monatomic hydrogen gas atoms. Based on my experiments I was able to come up with a general theory and predicted the break up of the water molecules by high radiation by that theory, which I learned today has a name already, "Radiolysis." So, now you can see the actual science with your own two eyes as my experiments yielded the same results while I was in isolation too these other scientific theories knowing nothing about them. 

Normal electrolysis pushes things to the right which is why the bubble evolution is so small in comparison to this technology as diatomic hydrogen gas atoms are a lot smaller than lone monatomic hydrogen gas atoms. Which you can learn about with the "Atomic hydrogen welding." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_hydrogen_welding

You can also learn more about hydrogen here: Learning about hydrogen

Now is the time to start asking me questions as if I don't see any I'll assume you all got this and can now use the theory I came up with to solve quite a bit of things that were previously unknowns to us. Just try to stay on topic is all I ask, okay? Thanks

Edward

H2opower posted this 27 September 2020

Hi Raivo and your welcome, 

  1. If you use normal water, its resistance is relatively high, but still it is quite low for the high voltage. Is it so that the current blocking (LC - L in coil and parasitic C inside coil wires) circuit creates high voltage as peaks, so in average the current will not become big? In one video you told that there has to be lots of wires for capacitance - or can you use smaller coil and add extra capacitor in parallel?

This is were the design of the resonant cavities come into play. You must give them a lot of isolation with the designs that you make as the water is a physical part of the circuit in the Voltage Intensifier Circuit. Water resistance in this case is measure in physical distance, IE, the spacing between the resonant cavities in the series array. The true reason why Meyer disconnected one of his eleven resonant cavities was due to this problem. Think of it like this. This line represents the space between the resonant cavities __ and this line represents the sum total of the series array ______________________, and this line represents the physical distance between the positive and negative connections inside the housing _________. Current will always follow the path of least resistance and thus the current will not move to charge up the resonant cavity capacitors and will simply go right over the top of the two adjacent positive and negative connections in the series array bypassing the rest of the capacitors. This is why Meyer disconnected one of the eleven resonant cavities in his design as it is a circular design. What I did as a fix to this problem with my circular WFC design was to wire five resonant cavities from left to right and the other five from right to left and use a long wire to join them in series as that wire's resistance will be way less than the water which will force the current to charge up the resonant capacitors. With this new way to wire the series array the positive and negative connections coming from the transformer are 180° away from each other on the housing.

Basically I split the array in half to solve this problem, but as I stated in one of my previous post Max Miller's design is the best as everything is in a straight line. But I know find that I have to add on to the top of each of the resonant cavities an additional 1/8th to 1/4 inch on top and bottom of each of the resonant cavities as the water's resistance lessens as the voltages are increased and instead of charging the capacitors the current moves over the top of the resonant cavities. Thus the solution is to give each resonant cavity even more isolation by increasing the physical distance between each of the resonant cavities my solution is to add in new caps to the top and bottom of each of the resonant cavities. 

As far as the current blocking within the cell the waveform takes care of that as the positive and negative voltages cancel each other out with a fully balanced waveform and thus only allows voltage to perform the work of dissociating the water molecules into their component gas atoms. 

This is just a simple way to draw the calculus as it is made visual as the energy under the curve is bond to the 0 line and with a balanced waveform the negative and positive sides cancel each other out leaving just a fraction left over to perform the normal work of electrolysis. The area under the curve represents current flow through the system which goes both ways either pushing current through the system or taking current away from the system with these AC waveforms. 

Since this technology is mimicking the earth's global electric circuit lets take a closer look.

Note the ohm readings for the earth's global electric circuit and then move to mimic them with the coils of the secondary side of the transformer with resistance wire to be used primarily in the chokes but also in the secondary coil which Meyer does call out in the drawing. This prevents the capacitor(s) from being discharged too quickly between pulsing. 

As far as the wire's capacitance to the cells capacitance I don't have the equipment needed to measure the cells capacitance so I have to use the trial and error method and keep building the transformers until I get one that works correctly but adding transformers in parallel doesn't work as I found that out the hard way. The transformers will battle it out until one of them fails. I even tried hook up transformers in series which yielded mixed results so I went back to using just one transformer with the WFC. 

  1. To use it in home (under bed) for extra oxygen at night (and healing hydrogen) - is it safe chemically, that it produces O2 and H2 (which is better for that case - electrolysis or radiolysis? Or will it produce some some compounds due to metal catalytic combinations what we do not want to breath in? (I know - do not use salt in water)

Not sure about this but would advise to just use plants.

  1. In motors - is it possible to produce H2 under pressure (say 100 bars) and is the electricity consumption almost the same? If we produce H2 under pressure - it goes to motor, expands - becomes extreme cold, injected into cylinder pre-compressed outside air, etc. So in total - it takes energy from heat-environment to have more gains. Is this possible?

No. The gases come off together and not separate and you can't take it that high in pressure as a result for it will ignite. The most you can pressurize the two gases is between 2-3 ATM as stated here: https://revolution-green.com/compressable-hho-alternative-hydrogen-storage/

  1. What about harmonics (to any of the natural molecular frequency)? If those are used are those 1/3, 1/6, etc or does 1/4, 1/10, 1/100 work too? What about the 2.450GHz frequency relation and its harmonics?

This is the part most get wrong with this technology as these, "Tubular Electrical Wave Guide Cavities," as Meyer puts it, is not one that yields to intuition. Each outer tube must be tapped and the sound it makes is the gating frequency to be used with that resonant cavity(s). The reason why each of the tubes in Meyer's long resonant cavity array have different length slits cut into them is so they all have the same sound when tap tested. Just remember that the transformer is a frequency doubler as the resulting sound must be divided in half to get the first harmonic as we are sending positive square waves to the transformer and it will give back two pulses for every one square wave sent to it. The use of GHz is outside of what is being done here but you can try them if you want as I haven't as it cost too much to build things correctly already why add more cost?

  1. Instead of high voltage - what about the ionization to happen by very sharp current turn off front, fast pulses or as a displacement current?

No, just follow what mother nature, or God if you will, has shown us as this technology is mimicking the earth's Global Electric Circuit.

I hope this answers a lot of your questions well, the ones I had answer for anyways. Let me know if you have any more and I will try and answer them for you, okay?

Again, your welcome.

Edward 

raivope posted this 27 September 2020

Hi Edward!

Wow, your experience is pure gold!

(I have met a few smart people in my life and you know what I regret the most - that I forgot to ask right questions )

Ok, I try to ask a few more for others' benefit as well...

If the electrolysis cell (actually radiolysis) is like 2 electrodes that are like a capacitor (C) and water is a load. It will form a series resonant circuit with charging coils (L). However, charging coil have also their parasitic capacitance (C(L)). So we have coil parasitic parallel resonance that actually limits the current flow at its resonant frequency.

https://www.technocrazed.com/8-6-resonant-filters
[see: Parallel Resonant Band-stop Filter]

So it comes to the playing with proportion of coil's parasitic C versus resonant cavity C.

How to measure it? The most practical way (without any meters that are wrong for this) is to sweep signals with frequency generator to single layer coil to the cell, and see the result on scope or spectrum analyser. Then you can calculate the capacitance of the resonant cavity.
(I guess - your transformers can be made smaller)

So - the question is: why do you submerge electrodes? It is not Faraday. Many years ago some inventor told me about "capacitrode". You design a thin "fish tank", put alu foil on sides (outside) and pulse it with HV. Now it becomes a capacitor. So you might get gas this way (or blue light or even water detonation. ) (I haven't tested this)

(just trying to simplify and reduce the current from water altogether)

Question2: In the nature... hmm... there is DC potential. So - do we need DC potential or DC in resonant pulses to overcome H and O attraction? (or was it about just ionisation and disassociation will be natural) What does science tell us?

Question3: Meyer mentioned he used the heating system in his car (water tank or somewhere). I know - there exists a tech that if you do not want electrolysis, you use AC (and some add magnetic fields) and then all gas will reverse to water and creates a lot of heat.

There is also a pattern what I see is that you have a balanced system (looking from the waveform) where it pulses + and - to the cell and the center is neutral. It is like a RF dipole centre - which is, when you research magnetic anomalies as in this forum - we create anomalous charge (cold electricity), battery anomalous charging, and other similar negentropic effects. I know - for you it may be simpler, but I try to investigate this avenue too.

(have to study your posts many times)

Thanks again,

Raivo

dale morgan posted this 28 September 2020

Hello Edward,

There is an old video of Stan driving the dune buggy around. I used to live in Grove City and have seen it in person. It made the local news once. Channel 6 News. The quality is poor of course but being a dune buggy you can see the equipment on the engine. I'd guess you already have it but if not it's on my Facebook. 

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008303951521 

Sorry to intrude,

Dale

 

H2opower posted this 21 October 2020

Hi Jagau,

Help me to understand. Where have a wrote saying that everyone is overwriting what I write? 

I do not understand why you say that we overwrite what you write, on the contrary this is very interesting and thank you for publishing important information on what water can do in terms of energy. I like to read all of your posts.

Is this the definition you are talking about? 

noun  

  1. 1. writing on top of other writing. "there should not be any overwriting on the form"
  2. 2. the action or process of writing too elaborately or ornately. "he tells his story simply despite occasional overwriting"   Definitions from Oxford Languages  

I'm trying to understand what you are talking about so please help me out.

Right now I see that I am having to repeat myself a lot as when people post it truly seems as if they didn't read the thread or understand what it is they have read. To me it seems as if people are skimming over the thread and not reading it thoroughly. 

Meyer was taken away from us as he didn't get this far in his understanding of this technology due to his untimely death. Remember he was going to set up a research facility to study this technology. I on the other hand was allowed the time to study this technology in depth. This gave me the opportunity to get at the core science behind this technology and I shared it with everyone here in this thread, well, most of it anyways.  

The study of the earth's Global Electric Circuit is far from complete for as of right now the scientific community is just starting to attempt to understand it fully but they are doing so in a way that is far too compartmentalized and will more than likely never be able to see it clearly as I do as a result.  

I posted this to keep a promise I made a long time ago when I started off in this field of study and I kept my word and posted the science behind the technology once I fully understood it. Just note I have been at this since March of 2006 and it's been a bumpy road to say the least as have went through the school of hard knocks along the way and trust me it's a bumpy ride. Just so you know I have been banned from almost all of the Open Source forums online today as the real science behind this technology goes against what most that are working on this technology have to say about it. Right off the top of my head I have been banned by the RWG forum, the Energetic forum, the IonizationX forum, IronDMax's forum, and the AllaboutCircuits forum. Sorry if I left any out as it's been a long time and I don't remember all the many forums that banned me. I think the reason for them banning me is due to the fact that none of them were making use of the scientific method and just making things up as they went along as a result. Confronted with the real science behind this technology coming from me was cutting into their donation dollars so as a result I had to go I guess.   

This school of hard knocks Meyer talks about is very real. But, I kept my nose the grindstone of science and pushed on until I had the answers I was looking for making use of the scientific method as I went through this journey getting at the core science behind this technology.   And your welcome as it's good to know some people are thankful of what I have done here on this forum. 

Take care,

Edward

Chilean One posted this 21 October 2020

Thanks, I assume you were answering to me, I am new here, and I carry a lot of preconceptions that, more often than not, cause a difficulty to take in new ideas, but your answer, and your highlight of key points was Very helpful, so I now understand you are proposing a completely different way to use water as fuel, without making it gas, but by changing its electric potential to make it “combustible”. That’s a complete first time for me. I had heard of high compression motors to make use of water phase change as a way to use water as fuel but never of a making water “flammable” itself. This surprises me a lot, will have to re read all with this concept in mind. Thanks for taking the time to make that comment, it really helped me!

In this thread I painstakingly went through the science behind this technology showing very clearly that this technology is mimicking the earth's Global Electric Circuit. There are no more unknowns due to the time and effort I have put into getting at the science behind this technology making use of the scientific method as I did. I left no stone unturned as far as I can tell. It took me over ten years to get at the science behind this technology and even more time to get to the point to where I am now ready to actually launch the technology into the marketplace. I don't deal in unknowns so I simply ignore all of those unproven things you mentioned as it has nothing to do with this technology. 

This is not ELECTROLYSIS! This technology mimics the way mother nature breaks the bonds of the water molecules as such when the water molecules are broken down in this fashion you get hydrogen, oxygen, and the generation of electricity as the electrons remains in the water bath and will build up a charge as a result on top of the electricity being put into the system by the charging chokes. In a typical thunderstorm this method of water dissociation results in a runaway voltage condition as hydrogen and oxygen are generated for the electrons remain in the cloud and the storm system starts to have many lightning strikes as the potential difference builds up to the point of overcoming the air's resistance to current flow by way of ionization. This is the real science behind the technology with no more unknowns left to solve. 

You see, with this technology I can break the bonds of the water molecules by simply altering the incoming air supply being sucked into the combustion chamber by striping the oxygen atoms of up to 4-5 of their electrons with the Gas Processor. At this point water become combustible in this newly created atmosphere created by the Gas Processor so that all one needs to do is inject a fine water mist into the system and ignite the mixture. The mixture will consist of fine water droplets, oxygen atoms missing electrons, and other gases that are also present in our air supply. Where is the electrolysis being performed in this situation? If you add a salt, acid, or base to the water the process will not work. Electrolysis is the opposite of this technology where current is being used to break the bonds of the water molecules. With this technology voltage potential is being used to break the bonds of the water molecules or in the other case I just shared with you oxygen gas atoms missing electrons will break the bonds of the water molecules. 

I am beginning to think this thread is becoming too long as people seem to be just skimming it and not actually reading everything I posted in depth.

In this circuit the switch (blocking diode) is either "on" or it's "off" with some small amount of current leakage taking place with the diode one chooses to use as shown in the video posted earlier in this thread about the Schottky diodes. When the switch is on the capacitor is discharging and when the switch is off the capacitor is being charged. I guess I need to clarify what I mean by off and on. On is a closed circuit condition and Off is a open circuit condition I say this to rule out any confusion. This technology is not simple and the cost of building it correctly is, for now, on the high side as even getting the tools one needs to be able to read this technology correctly will set you back a bit as these tools aren't cheap. 

Hope this post helps in your understanding of this technology.

Edward

Chris posted this 22 October 2020

Hello Edward,

Please tone your posts down a little. Not everyone has HHO as their main path. Not everyone should be expected to take this task on. As you state, this can get very expensive very quickly, not everyone has this sort of capitol, and will to shell out this sort of capitol the time and money on this sort of thing.

I find the same with my work, my work is not everyone's cup of tea. I am ok with that, at the same time, happy to help those that are willing to take on this task.

So, I ask, please try to be more patient with others. No one here is attacking you, or questioning what you have posted. Others are only trying to further understand what you have written. Those that read your posts are showing interest, they may not have the same experience you do, for this reason, we must display patience.

We appreciate your posts, they are enlightening. Just remember, HHO is not everyone's Cup of Tea. Those that do show interest are trying to learn.

Best wishes,

   Chris

YoElMiCrO posted this 22 October 2020

Hi everyone.

@ H2opower.

Long ago while studying the electric field
make an application dedicated to HHO.
I already made a channel on YouTube to be able to share videos.
Tell me what you think of this one.


Thanks in advance.

YoElMiCrO.

H2opower posted this 22 October 2020

Hello YoEIMiCrO,

It shows that water is conductive which Dr. Dingle did when I was just a baby some 52 years ago. Like Meyer said in some of his written work water is part of the circuit and your video shows total proof that is correct, good work by the way. But I do caution you to not be poking things in the water bath while the experiment is running as if you get to the point where the voltage starts to run away it is very much looking for a ground source to release the energy and if you give it one it will take it.

I know several people who got shocked quite severely, to include myself, by placing their finger in the water bath while the device was in operation. This is an isolated circuit looking for a ground and you must not give it one. This is just one of the reasons why I had to get a differential probe as the ground in the oscilloscope will mess up the readings. When I went back to study the 8x circuit each time I would hook up the probe to the cell to try and see what was going on it would trip the house circuit breaker. A friend of mines told me back then that I must get a Differential Probe which was something I never heard of before and following his advice I went ahead and got one. It was then I realized that this technology needs to be isolated from all grounding sources. When the new probe came in and I hooked it up to the cell I was finally able to see just what was going on the oscilloscope as it didn't trip the house circuit breaker anymore.

This is just one of the many things I am doing differently than anyone else I have seen working on this technology in that I mindfully make sure the secondary side of the transformer has no place to ground out in the voltage intensifier circuit.

One thing I couldn't help but notice is your channel has no content on Youtube. I guess you have your reasons but it seems strange to me. Anyway, good work in getting the water to be apart of the circuit🧐.

Take care,

Edward

H2opower posted this 13 November 2020

Hi jcil.nl ,

Hi Edward,

how did the VIC end up like?

I will talk directly about the technology here so as to not take over someone else's thread.

The VIC took a long time to understand exactly how it worked and how to build it correctly so that it wouldn't short out after a few uses. I now vacuum resin seal these transformers to keep the wires from vibrating which will over time rub off the wire's protective coating and it also serves to get the air out of the transformer which will ionize at these voltage levels and end up shorting out the transformer. All the rules for dealing with high voltages must be adhered to too include the way you solder the connections: https://www.spellmanhv.com/en/Technical-Resources/FAQs/Technology-Terminology/What-is-Ball-Soldering

No sharp points as that will lead to arcing. I went with this design because of the high voltage levels the transformer can reach when made like this. Note there is no turn count numbers for Meyer's multispooled transformers and the reason being is he vacuum resin sealed the transformer so Don Gable could not take it apart. I just went by trial and error testing in learning how to build them correctly as a result mine are very different than Meyer's as the application I use the transformers for is different as this one is being used on the WFC and not the injectors like that of Meyer's transformer.

I remember having to turn off the lights due to hearing a hissing noise and with the lights off I could see a high voltage corona around the transformer. My first solution was to put the transformer in a bath of transformer oil. Now this ended the corona from shorting out the transformer but it left the ringing sound which I found out latter on was causing the wires to rub off the protective coating. I had to tear down a failed transformer to see this which was a big mess since the transformer was submersed in oil. I lost count of how many transformers failed before I got it to work correctly weeding out all of the many problems I was running into. From wires overheating and burning out to the wire's insulation failing I went through it all the long way by way of trial and error testing. There is no one size fits all solution to this so each of you have to go through the same process I went through unless your cell is made exactly like mines and I'm not sharing that information. 

The diode to use for the switch must be fast enough to keep up and I think I went over that earlier in this thread. Plus the secondary side of the transformer is a isolated circuit and must be kept that way at all times so no introducing any grounds to the system which is why one must get a differential probe to see what the waveform looks like. The proper waveform is the primary source of amp restriction Meyer used which prevented the water from being broken down by way of current flow like in normal electrolysis and thus shows how Meyer got voltage to do work as instead of current being use to break the bonds of the water molecules high voltage is being used by way of ionization just like the earth's global electric circuit does which is what this technology is mimicking,

Hope this helps,

Edward

 

 

H2opower posted this 14 November 2020

 

I want to keep stressing the point of the need for the use of Differential Probes as with this technology you can't see what you are doing without one with a great deal of acracy. If you have the 8xa circuit the ground from the oscilloscope will trip the house breaker if you try and see what's going on in the cell with the probes that come with the oscilloscope. I know because I was left in the dark in my little lab in the garage many a time until someone told me I needed to get a differential probe which at the time I had never heard of before. I looked online for one and found this site to be kinda cost effective: Differential probes

When I got the probe I was finally able to take a look at just what was going on at the cell 🧐. 

 

H2opower posted this 14 November 2020

Hi Vidura,

I think I have a handle on it and for the most part can say Meyer was wrong about tapping that energy for use in other circuits as for the most part all one can do is create heat with the electron extraction circuit. Basically the electron extraction circuit takes the energy that would have normally heated up the transformer to a heat lamp as a way to keep the transformer cool. And, for the most part I think it's primary use was for the Gas Processor. 

In this drawing above I have not found a switch that can do this but notice this is talking about the Gas Processor that is receiving the gas output from the WFC. 

In this drawing above the amp consuming device is in series with the charging choke and now there is water inside of the resonant cavity with laser energy being added to the mix. 

In the drawing below you can see he separated the EEC from the resonant cavity and again its' use is for the Gas Processor.  

In the photo above the EEC connection it the metal cone on top of this unit. The people who got Meyer's technology showed me a photo of this with a machined hole in the flat part, not shown in this photo due to it's orientation, where the connection was made from the EEC part of the transformer to the cone. I always suspected it to be the EEC connection but it was nice to have my suspicions confirmed.

The EEC in my view is primarily used for the Gas Processor where the highly ionized air becomes a physical part of the circuit. 

Meyer's injectors as designed would never work as on the bench they would work fine as they would not be hooked up the car's electrical system. However once hooked up to the car the resonant cavity would be grounded out to the car's battery. Given enough time I am sure Meyer would have figured this out but sadly he wasn't given any more time. This is where people like you and me come in to solve the many problems Meyer left behind with this technology as it was not a completed technology. This is why I sour at all those that move to just copy this technology as it wasn't completed yet thus if all one did was copy what they saw or found then they would copy in all of the many design & technical flaws that Meyer hadn't figured out yet right into those copies.

Since I moved to understand the science behind this technology I kept asking questions while those that moved to just copy the technology never asked anymore questions as understanding the technology was not their goal. As such I have solved quite a few problems Meyer/Dr. Dingle left for us to solve. 

I hope this helps you some with your understanding of this technology.

Regards,

Edward

 

dale morgan posted this 23 November 2020

Hey Ed,

If you don't have this book you probably want it.

https://www.amazon.com/OCCULT-ETHER-PHYSICS-Expanded-Conspiracy/dp/0985452714/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=OCCULT+ETHER+PHYSICS&qid=1606143242&s=books&sr=1-1

They list a "free" copy which is able to be gotten as a Kindel e-book but you have to pay for it of course. I've bought several e-books and the download was quick. This one took longer than normal but it's not a very large book. Didn't matter to me as I wanted the book. The author has beaten me to an idea I was having about the subject... such is life. Oh, don't be thrown off by the title. He was being sarcastic. Found the title while re-reading a Bearden paper.

Have a glorious day,

Dale

H2opower posted this 27 November 2020

Since I have already shared the need to tap test the sound of the outer tubes I shall share a bit more new to me information as learning this information just made my seemingly perfect WFC built incorrectly, but I do have to check a few things out as I haven't went over the numbers as of yet. But it turns out we should use the fundamental frequency with two nodes at those nodes as you can't hold the tubes any way you want to hold them for this to work. The percentages you see are places where you can hold the tube and it will still work as intended as those percentages are the percent of the total length of the tube. With mines I have to hold it 0.616" from each end. And you should make use of a wood striker when you go to figure out what frequency your tube(s) makes as a metal striker is just messy.   

Keep it Clean: A dirty strike can energize a host of unwanted spurious sideband frequencies as demonstrated by the steel striker in the blue spectrum display above. A most melodious bell sound is achieved with a softer strike that energizes overtones without spurious sidebands, as shown in the purple spectrum display above. Both strikers produced equal loudness for the fundamental while the steel striker did a better job of energizing overtones (louder) but at the expense of unwanted dirty sidebands. The wood striker (hard maple) produced a most melodious bell sound while the metal strike was harsh and annoying.

Also in these examples you can see the energy levels of each of the overtones. The fundamental frequency has the most energy but you can use other frequencies of you want as those percentages are also given in one of the examples above.

This, for me, completely changes the WFC design process and I must now go back to the drawing board. The way to hold these tubes means we must come up with a way to hold them correctly if we want to take advantage of these overtones which again will be the gating frequency used as I mentioned in a much earlier post. This is humbling in a way as it shows that even someone like me with so much experience in the field still has more to learn. Long ago I made a statement about this technology in comparison to stander electrolysis in saying this technology is the total opposite in complexity for it is very much a complexed technology while standard electrolysis is really simple which shows my statement to be so true. This technology is not for the faint of heart as there is much to learn, lots of special tools & equipment to buy, and many things to design and build from scratch. And when you get things wrong you end up with a very nice looking and expensive paper weight. Just know if you get into this technology you are going to fail far more times than you will succeed so be prepared to pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and keep it moving if you want to succeed.

Learning is a never ending process,

Edward

raivope posted this 27 September 2020

Hi Edward!

Thanks for your great effort and coming forward with this tech.

I have a few questions, hope they are on topic.

  1. If you use normal water, its resistance is relatively high, but still it is quite low for the high voltage. Is it so that the current blocking (LC - L in coil and parasitic C inside coil wires) circuit creates high voltage as peaks, so in average the current will not become big? In one video you told that there has to be lots of wires for capacitance - or can you use smaller coil and add extra capacitor in parallel?
  2. To use it in home (under bed) for extra oxygen at night (and healing hydrogen) - is it safe chemically, that it produces O2 and H2 (which is better for that case - electrolysis or radiolysis? Or will it produce some some combounds due to metal catalytic combinations what we do not want to breath in? (I know - do not use salt in water)
  3. In motors - is it possible to produce H2 under pressure (say 100 bars) and is the electricity consumption almost the same? If we produce H2 under pressure - it goes to motor, expands - becomes extreme cold, injected into cylinder pre-compressed outside air, etc. So in total - it takes energy from heat-environment to have more gains. Is this possible?
  4. What about harmonics (to any of the natural molecular frequency)? If those are used are those 1/3, 1/6, etc or does 1/4, 1/10, 1/100 work too? What about the 2.450GHz frequency relation and its harmonics?
  5. Instead of high voltage - what about the ionisation to happen by very sharp current turn off front, fast pulses or as a displacement current?

Those were the questions that came into my mind, you do not need to answer all.

Thank you and best,

Raivo

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Chilean One posted this 21 October 2020

Hello, this thread is fascinating, thanks! I get the analogy of the traffic jam to slow the speed of reaction, thus I see this as the basis of the idea of increasing the air to HHO ratio in the combustion chamber, nitrogen being the main component of air, and being the element that can effectively slow down the rate of H to O recombination. This is all assuming that what we get from electrolysis is just a mixture of H and O.

Before going further and as I am new here, and I see you have been working on this for a long time, I think I have to add a little context for what I want to bring into the discussion. I come from other main focus where convergence with so called HHO is not obvious and I have been rather recently interested due to the so called “overunity” aspect of HHO. I have been decades studying and following developments of so called LENR (formerly known as Cold Fusion) and from around a year ago, due to the efforts of an open science initiative team of volunteers called the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project, it became clear to me that at least one of the methods of creating HHO was creating not simply H and O, but what the inventor, Ryushin Omasa, calls “charged clusters of gaseous water molecules”. Later I fully realized that the idea of a gaseous form of water that was not vapor, and that was combustible, had been around for a while, even in a paper published in the International Journal of Hydrogen Energy, and is also known as Electrically expanded water.

It seems that many if not all the HHO systems can produce a part of the gas in this form of gaseous water that is not vapor, and that probably Omasa’s OHMASA gas has a very consistent amount of that heavier than air gas. The flame has been shown to have the capacity of inducing nearly instantaneous Elemental transmutation, and this is where it entered squarely into my LENR interest, as we are trying to find consistently reproducible nuclear reactions (in this case LENT) that might help blast open the acceptance of mainstream of the existence of this kind of nuclear reactions in mild conditions and without harmful radiation. Claims of transmutation with HHO have been made before, probably most notoriously by Yull Brown with his radiation reduction (Which was a stabilization of radioactive nuclei), but with OHMASA gas it has become clear that is transmutation what is happening.

All that was to ask if you consider this gas to be part of the result of the electrolysis you perform, or if you work under the assumption that is plain H+O with nothing else around.

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Jagau posted this 21 October 2020

Hello H2opower


The forum here is rather proactive, the categories are very well listed on the right and you are in the HHO - Hydrogen Tech category.
I do not understand why you say that we overwrite what you write, on the contrary this is very interesting and thank you for publishing important information on what water can do in terms of energy. I like to read all of your posts.


The subject of Stanley Mayer and the circuits you are referring to is a pioneer in this field and is still of great interest today.
Thank you for continuing this science


Jagau

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Jagau posted this 21 October 2020

Hello Edward

I was talking here about your statement in the previous post you wrote:


I am beginning to think this thread is becoming too long as people seem to be just skimming it and not actually reading everything I posted in depth.

Maybe I misunderstood you but if that's the case I apologize.


Continue to do what you do in your posts that interests me even if I am not at the same level of understanding as you in the field of H2O and energy


Jagau

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Vidura posted this 14 November 2020

Hey Edward, In first place thanks for sharing your experience here. Some time ago I have read thru the patents from Meyer, practically I didn't many experiments, only some very basic things. I would like to ask something regarding the "electron extraction circuit". As you have stressed repeatedly that the cell has to be isolated from ground, this particular circuit would be contradictory. It could be understood as a syncroneous rectifier, but at this voltage levels it would be hard to implement. Have you some experience about it? Regards Vidura.

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thosewhocandothosewhocantteach posted this 14 November 2020

Nce, I'm going to give this thread a careful read, thanks.

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H2opower posted this 19 November 2020

 

Since I don't like posting on the OU site anymore I will post this here with the hopes that person I gave up on reads this.

These two waveforms are exactly the same: 

In the first one the user sent six square wave pulses to his transformer and the one below that I sent five square wave pulses to the transformer. Each peak counted, both upper and lower peaks, are to be summed together and divided by two as this is a pulse doubling transformer. This is why I call this waveform a modified AC waveform as it really isn't a true AC waveform as it just looks like a AC waveform when things are working correctly. The difference between our two experimental results is the transformer the other guy built doesn't have enough energy to power the load he is placing on it. In other words it will not charge both plates of the capacitor as the transformer's power factor is too low for the job it is being tasked to do. 

I modeled my transformer off of Meyer's injector transformer and the first one I built gave me the very same waveform as the other guys when hooked up to my WFC. But, I understood that the transformer I modeled mines after was tasked to charge up a very small capacitor as those injectors have very little plate surface area as compared to my WFC. So, I redesigned the transformer making use of a much larger wire diameter than Meyer used for his transformer and the results speak for itself as this new transformer I made did have the power factor to charge both plates of the capacitor that had a much greater plate surface area than Meyer's injectors do. It is this understanding of the technology that sets me apart from most working on it. 

All of this experience I have now is directly due to my willingness to do whatever it took to perform the necessary experiments so that I could learn what needed to be learned. If I had to buy a new tool that allowed me to see what it was I was doing I did so without hesitation. If I had to redesign something or build something I did so, at much great cost I might add, but it needed to be done so I did it. This thread is a culmination of 14 plus years of study as I dove into understanding this technology making use of the scientific method which has one asking and answering questions through experimentation and observation of the results. 

Anytime someone tells me they aren't going to buy a needed tool or they aren't going to build something the right way all they are really telling me is they are setting themselves up for failure as that is not how the scientific method works. If at any point you choose to ignore what your experimental results are telling you what you need to do then in reality you have just jumped off the train headed for success. Most of the people that come to me that I see doing this I will quickly tell them this technology isn't for you as that is being honest with them and perhaps they will change their ways or not go on wasting a lot of their hard earned money. I know a lot of people see this as me being an arrogant prick but in reality I am just being truthful with people. 

I had one really good instructor in college that taught me the correct way to perceive time. "It matters not how long it takes you to do something but where will you be when that time passes by." Quote by Dr. Hastings one of my college professors. 

Just keeping it real,

Edward

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Vidura posted this 27 November 2020

Hey Edward, A very important topic, I am working on another project, where the wavelengths and harmonics play a very important rol. From the spectrum analyser scans you posted I can see that there is a deviation from the theoretical expected harmonic frequency, will look for more information, thanks for sharing. Regards Vidura.

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H2opower posted this 27 November 2020

Hi Vidura,

Yeah, it's a lot more complicated to design these water fuel capacitors than I originally thought that's for sure. I am trying to come up with a way to hold them so that the ends are free to vibrate. This seems like a way but I was thinking of making the part that holds the tubes use a sharp compression ring at these points and not trying to wield any bars/studs to the tube. I'm still reading the information I found on this and from the looks of it a SS tube with a length of just 3 inches is going to have a frequency over 8 kHz perhaps around 10-12 kHz. Everything comes into play here as the wall thickness must be held to a very high tolerance in order for all the tubes to have the same frequencies. Lucky for me I kept things to a really high tolerance so this part should be okay for me. Contrary to intuition there are only two variables that control the sound, i.e. the density and  elasticity of the metal. Those two variables control the specific length dimensions to achieve a desired note for a given tubing size and wall thickness. SS has a density of 0.2830 Lbm/in3 and a elasticity of 28,300,000 psi.

But I really didn't expect it was this complicated for all I knew beforehand was the tubes needed to be tapped to hear what sound they made as that sound will be the gating frequency used. This also changes the way the transformer for these things are designed as the resonant frequency must be however many times the pulses sent to the transformer higher than the gating frequency or the resonant frequency will not fit inside of the gating frequency.

Now I can see anyone that didn't make the outer tube exactly as Meyer did would have a very different tap tone frequency and if they didn't keep high tolerances then each tube would have a different frequency. 

Those slits on the tubes in Meyer's alternator version must have been for tuning each tube to have the same tone when tapped. 

Seems I got my work cut out for me in figuring out how to hold these things in the WFC housings correctly so that they can vibrate freely with the gating frequencies sent to the capacitors. Anyway, I'll figure something out as that's what I do best. But for the mean time I have to use what I got until a replacement can be made. 

I am beginning to think Meyer just built everything loosely for the tubes and placed the electrical connection at the 22.42% node point for the fundamental frequency to amp up the gas production.

We can do this,

Edward

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H2opower posted this 27 November 2020

Hi Vidura,

That post is very much on point for this as Meyer in his way found a way to truly hide this part of the technology as all talks about it are very cryptic. Now that I understand what to look for I'd be willing to bet that where Meyer is holding these tubes at the wields and the cutout support are both at the node points. Sadly I lost all of this information when my PC and Memory Stick both went out on me at the same time.

I pulled these images off of my video, if someone has the measurements of this cell posting it would be helpful as with this information we kinda know what to look for now.

Standing waves is also the goal and I think I found a way to see them but I need to buy the stuff shown in this video to view them: 

This video aids in teaching what we are looking to create in the resonant cavities: 

So, for me I have to take one of the resonant cavities apart and hold the outer tube with a string at the 22.42% node point strike and record the sound it makes, something like this -->  Then using a sound wave generator play this sound in the square waveform at half of the sound I recorded as these transformers will double the frequency sent to them. If I had that mirror I believe I would be able to see this in the water column above and below the resonant cavities. 

As for doing this for the benefit of mankind I agree but people like that leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth about this technology. I'm coming at this from the perspective of making something that works and is safe for use by the masses. Something that can be hooked up by a technician and has low maintenance needs that puts the individual in full control of their own energy needs. This is where Open Source and I part ways as they would have people do this for themselves in a totally unsafe manor, totally ignoring all whom can't build stuff like this on their own. Someone has to step up to the plate and make this technology safe for use for the masses and I am doing just that. There is no way my mom or sisters given a full set of plans would ever be able to build something like this and I know I am not alone in knowing that the vast majority of people in this world can't build this technology on their own let alone make it work safely and be able to implement it into their daily lives effectively. Open Source is good for things that do not require materials to build something like computer programs and things of the like as that approach totally falls apart when something needs to be built. Trying to get folks in the Open Source community to see this is not an easy task to do which is why I have been banned by so many Open Source sites. 

Long ago some fool posted that no one should be allowed to make money off of this technology and the Open Source community bought into that lie whole heartedly. Someone has to take this technology into mass production for the prices to be brought down so that masses that need it the most can afford to get it and that's where I come in as I am somebody, hello!

Thanks for the post as it helps in understanding the harmonics involved with this technology. It's far from being as simple as normal electrolysis is for sure but this technology will end the era of the current systems of power generation and then some.

Take care all,

Edward

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Chris posted this 09 November 2021

Hello and welcome mladen,

I see you have a very similar writing style to Edward, very uncanny!

Any and all advancements in Technology are important, don't get me wrong when I say: Electrical Energy is the most critical stage in Human History! It is very much more important than Hydrogen Technology! Electrical Energy Efficiency can be many times more efficient and very much more simple and Cheaper to advance!

Hydrogen Technology has a shelf life, it cant be stored efficiently and the only way to efficiently use it is on demand. Fine, but Water tanks are safer than Petrol tanks, sure, but one still needs an Energy Source to have Hydrogen on demand, a pointless exercise, Electric Cars are now here, Hydrogen Cars are not, there is a reason for this Fact!

Best Wishes,

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H2opower posted this 27 November 2020

Stolen designs for profit As I was running a search for Meyer's original 11 cell design specs I came across this outright theft for profit off of other people's work. This type of stuff really pisses me off 😡 as we all worked very hard and spent a lot of money to build what we built just to have this person steal our designs as if they were his trying to get people to give him money.

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Vidura posted this 27 November 2020

This things occurred more than once, Edward. But nevertheless we are researching for the benefit of mankind, at least most of us here, with the intention to spread the knowledge as it's possible. Here I found some interesting things about harmonics and overtones in analogy with musical instruments physics. Hopefully it gives some Ideas. If you feel it is disruptive for the thread, let me know I will remove it. https://sciencing.com/overtone-harmonics-physics-definition-differences-frequencies-13722353.html

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mladen posted this 08 November 2021

Thank you a lot Edward for your contribution on this topic. I've been searching a lot on the internet about anything I could find, from other people that supposedly have succeeded in replicating Meyer's work and to be honest, your comments were the most clear to understand and make the most sense to me. Please don't be distracted by people trying to steal the ideas and profit off of it, because that's in human nature. The entire China's economy has basically been founded on technology theft, which the rest of the world ignored mostly because of the cheap labor they exploited. I guess nothing was free or cheap, after all.

To get back to the topic. I'll just quickly comment on the resonance finding using tapping of the tube. Maybe it would be a good idea to do the tapping once you submerge those tubes in the cell and fill it with water, because all of that will affect the self resonant frequency of the tube. To better understand what I mean, take a look at this example: https://www.sarthaks.com/567587/how-does-the-length-of-the-ruler-affect-its-frequency-of-vibration

That means even if you determine the self resonant frequency precisely, it would most probably change once you embed it into the water cell and tighten it firmly. With that in mind, it might be better to first fixate the tubes in the cell and fill it with water, then adjust the length of immersion into water for each tube, as a way to kind of "fine tune" the frequencies of all the tubes.

I can understand the task itself is quite difficult and results sensitive to a lot of factors, which might be the reason why Meyer was using a resonance searching circuit, to make the work easier. I can only imagine something like this was used to detect the resonant frequency of the wfc: https://web.mit.edu/6.101/www/s2018/projects/reduker_Project_Final_Report.pdf

Of course, we could disconnect all the tubes and only connect one at any point in time and search for the resonant frequency, making sure that way that all the tubes have the same resonant frequency. Submerging each tube more or less into water should in theory have the effect of tuning the frequency down or up for each tube.

Once again, thank you for sharing all this and please try to ignore people who are trying to profit out of this and focus on publishing as much as you can, so the rest of us who'd like to help, can do that. And also to avoid, god forbid, the same fate as Meyer had... The more people know about this and the more the information is spread, the lesser the chance for powers that (shouldn't) be to censor it.

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