Iron wire Inductor coil with POC experiments.

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Himrael posted this 3 weeks ago

Copper and to a lesser extent aluminum reign supreme as the medium for transfer of electrical energy. Read the many advantages they offer here.

i was investigatigating the potential of inductively dissociating hydrogen from salt water. inspired by this 

So i ordered some power mosfets suitable for rf frequencies. And in the meanwhile decided to give it a try with a ZVS induction heater with parts i had laying around. i successfully heated a screwdriver red hot, but salt water nothing happened. i started digging around on the effect of induction. here are some of my findings.

Induction heating allows the targeted heating of an applicable item for applications including surface hardening, melting, brazing and soldering and heating to fit. Iron and its alloys respond best to induction heating, due to their ferromagnetic nature. Eddy currents can, however, be generated in any conductor, and magnetic hysteresis can occur in any magnetic material

from wikipedia

so two criterias essential for the process are electrical resistivity and magnetic permeability here are some material comparison for these two factors.

                                     resistivity,p (ohmxm)                relative permeability mu

Iron (99.8% pure)          9.70×10−8                                        5000

copper                                   1.68×10−8                                           0.999994

water                                     2.0×10−1                                              0.999992

From the above table you could see that copper although a good conductor is not a good transmitter or receiver of electromagnetic induction.

So what makes a good inductor? That's Q-factor.

The winding resistance appears as a resistance in series with the inductor; it is referred to as DCR (DC resistance). This resistance dissipates some of the reactive energy. The quality factor (or Q) of an inductor is the ratio of its inductive reactance to its resistance at a given frequency, and is a measure of its efficiency. The higher the Q factor of the inductor, the closer it approaches the behavior of an ideal inductor. High Q inductors are used with capacitors to make resonant circuits in radio transmitters and receivers. The higher the Q is, the narrower the bandwidth of the resonant circuit.

The Q factor of an inductor is defined as, where L is the inductance, R is the DCR, and the product ωL is the inductive reactance:

{\displaystyle Q={\frac {\omega L}{R}}}

Q increases linearly with frequency if L and R are constant. Although they are constant at low frequencies, the parameters vary with frequency. For example, skin effect, proximity effect, and core losses increase R with frequency; winding capacitance and variations in permeability with frequency affect L.

frow wikipedia

if R is six times greater its more than offset by L being 5000 times greater. so is iron as a magnet wire have high Q? according to the above  criteria yes. 

normally the use of copper wire when looking at energy efficiency makes sense but when seeking above unity energy through coil electromagnetic interactions you have got to question coppers role as a limiting factor.

unlike copper, iron coil mounted on transformer can be magnetically conditioned. floyd sweets conditioning maybe related to this and not the magnets. 

then i started looking for examples of ferromagnet wire used as inductor and i found this.

anyway you guys seem to be on the right track. i have wound some coils but unlike you guys i have limited equipment. i am now making a signal generator. if you can point me to a way to test the coils please do.thanks




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Augenblick posted this 3 weeks ago


I was also considering the same, using iron fence wire. It is not insulated, so air-core spacing would be critical, or insulated sleeve required for ferrie cores.

One would think that the resonance of that type inductor would be at a lower frequency due to increased resistance. Just thinking ...

As far as magnet conditioning, we have all been down that rabbit hole and back a few times. Some say it's a ruse and others sell little conditioned magnets for a small fortune. Overunity has been achieved without them.

In my opinion, there is not one silver bullet for any imaginable device, though certain methods (e.g. POCs) have proven to be effective (likely essential) for solid state devices.

Keeping one's mind open to the likelihood that AU/OU can be achieved in many ways is prudent (I have a difficult time keeping those horses in the barn, so to speak), but try starting with what several experimenters have proven to work (right here). It would be your best shot of Adrenalin, friend. Then you will *know* firsthand. ... imho

If you do embark on any iron wire experiments, please keep us posted. I am certainly interested.

Thanks so much!


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Himrael posted this 3 weeks ago

transformer loss and "copper loss" analogy. transformer core saturation happens when at high currents on primary, secondary is unable to pickup the full load because of coppers weak magnetic permeability.

research induction heating of non ferrous metals copper is very hard to heat. 


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Himrael posted this 3 weeks ago

Augenblick your wire should be short not long compared for the equivalent inductance value gained by copper wich lowers R values making them insignificant. a drawback, this will make ferrous wire effective length values matching to the mm critical in design of coil.

Tnx for Chris and others for providing this platform for humanitarian free thinkers. 

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Augenblick posted this 3 weeks ago


You were reading my mind. ... thus shorter lengths would allow greater current flow.

The uncluttered nature of this forum allows us to process only what is presented by the authors without a collage of repetitive ads and graphics. I get lost searching for actual discussions on OU. I appreciate the dark theme here as well, being visually impaired. Chris hit it out of the park with the KISS principle.

Sincerely glad you are here!


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Himrael posted this 3 weeks ago

in this stan meyer video at 36:00 min resistive charging choke wire type explanation.

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Following Stan Meyer during his prolific venture, I was interested in high-efficiency vehicles, not AU/OU. The nature of his death was another inoculation for experimenters to resist hostile discovery, and (unfortunately) work underground.

Stan worked alone, thinking that his patents and rejection of outrageous bribes to shelve his inventions were enough shield to protect him. However, in effect, Lenz Law was working against him, as the court-hired tech-constrained experts examined his Voltage Intensifier Circuit to discredit him. They cried foul, because they dare not give any credibility to his Tesla-over-Edison stance, which also undermined the fossil-fuel monopoly. Stan nearly toppled two industries, but paid with his life and fortune.

Today, we acknowledge that patents are virtuously useless, and their publication means a free ticket for unscrupulous nations that do not honor fairness and Law. By keeping this tech open source, we have a better chance of realizing our goal to "light up the darkness", so to speak. We will still have ego-struck bloggers that take credit elsewhere, but why should that matter if the technology is advanced. Even the Lord had His miracles claimed by fakes, such as Simon the Sorcerer. What does it matter ...

The diagram:

Here we see that Meyer was using POCs to reduce his carbon footprint to produce hydrogen ... very practical.

Another patent of Stanley Mayer for his hydrogen car.

The VIC:

TX4/TX5 are reverse wound to oppose TX2. (actually, TX2 is the only reverse wound coil in the diagram)

TX3 appears to be a "sense" coil for a TX1 driver circuit. So at first examination, the VIC in this diagram could be self-oscillating. Meyer also said he kept his patents very simple to cover the broadest applications.

Meyer claimed that his system self-adjusted for resonance. The control board for his demonstration is very complicated (but the coil configuration looks the same), suggesting that he may have used a voltage controlled oscillator to optimize resonance/voltage.

He also said that increased potential was a key factor that was previously ignored, if I understood him correctly. The circuit name certainly suggests that.


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