The E-field and electron acceleration

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Vidura posted this 4 weeks ago

Hello

Cause of a damage that occurred to my scope I was looking for some information about the CRT screen. This Inspired me to an interesting hypothesis about acceleration of electrons with electric fields, static or also oscillating. If we look at the construction of an cathode ray image tube we find different parts, a heated cathode, various other electrodes for the purpose of guiding and accelerating the electron beam inside the evacuated tube. A rough description of the principle would be that a heated cathode when reaching a threshold temperature will emanate "free electrons", in a gas like form, which are retained by another cylindric electrode surrounding the cathode, with a more negative potential than the heated cathode. The former has a small concentric orifice in the direction where the electron beam exit. At a greater distance there follow the anodes, attracting and accelerating the electrons, which are behaving as particles with mass and inertia. This is the reason why they don't merge into the positive anodes, but moving further thru the orifice of the anodes as a concentrated electron beam. This particular behaviour I found most interesting for our purpose of research, as there is a constant acceleration, without destroying the dipole, very similar to gravity, which is exercising a constant force to matter, making possible functioning hydroelectric power utilities.

Here a drawing of a CRO tube:

Some of the fast models have an additional metallic grid near the phosphorescent screen(not shown in the above image), as at high frequencies the traces become very pale, this grid provides secondary electrons which are dragged by the original beam, providing more brightness.

So far the theory of the CRO tube. Now, if we thing a bit about this principals, If we could disregard losses to a certain degree, such a device would not waste energy for the acceleration of the charged particles, only for the heater to free the electrons from the environment, or the matter, whatsoever. Nevertheless It becomes clear from most basic physical principals, that an accelerated particle has more energy than a "stationary" one. And the dipole responsible for the acceleration would not be destroyed, could theoretically continue accelerating particles as long as the potential difference is present. Similar as gravity in our hydroelectric plant.

Now the next step we would ask if this is only possible with static electric potential. I am convinced that basically a static or an intermittent E field are the same thing, even if the polarity would change the same forces apply. In the CRT the brightness of the image can be adjusted by the applied voltage on the accelerating anodes. It also could produce an intermittent ray with the according signal. A changed polarity of the E-field would presumably not be desirable for our task of energy harvesting, as a deceleration of electrons would be the effect.

We can see clearly that there are two different principals occurring in order to produce the beam:

  1. producing or detaching the electrons; 2. accelerating and concentrating them.

 

This leads me to the hypothesis, that it should be possible with the correct arrangement and parameters, to produce this effect, namely the acceleration of charged particles in an electric circuit loop, using conductors instead of an evacuated tube. As in the former example of the CRO tube, we would need to produce the same two principals. In first place detaching or setting free the charged particles, and second accelerate them using the E-field without destroying our dipole.

We have already some hints how to free electrons in a conductive circuit, as Chris has quoted Floyd Sweet:

"To free enough electrons to effect conversion would require magnetic forces approaching infinity."

A strong magnetic field(varying in time) can free the electrons. Also the incidence of light-radiation on certain materials can do the same. High temperature in case of the evacuated tubes also, there might be other ways.

Once we have "generated" the electrons in our circuit, we should be able to accelerate them by means of the E-field. Actually we are doing this all the time, but mostly we destroy the source dipole by the way. So the basic Idea in this hypothesis is that it should be possible  to use the force of the E-field without depleting it's source. 

 

In this place I will recall the basic principles of electrostatics:

 

1.Charge separation by an electric field(electrostatic).

2.Discharge of negative charges to ground:

The object remains charged positive:

Now the positive charges are drained to ground:

Note: at both discharge cycles a load can be connected and thus work is performed. Some might have doubts about the existence of positive charges, but this is not the subject of this discussion, you can also imagine that positive charge exist as lack of electrons and these return into the object from ground at the second discharge.

Here an experiment performed by Sergei Deyna which can be watched in the following video at minute 20:09, I want to give credit to Him for his excellent research on the subject.

Here some images from the setup:

Электростатика - 3.  Принцип использования свободной энергии:

There was an earlier experiment where the test was performed manually, and after a couple of discharges the audience was asked how many times the discharges would be repeatable with a single charge of the plastic ruler. So as an answer this setup was built, and actually it works for indefinite time until the static charge of the ruler vanishes.

 

Now we could go a step further and think about how we could employ this principal in an oscillating resonant circuit, in this case our E-field of course would have to be intermittent in phase with the resonance frequency. We know various methods' to produce E-fields of great intensity with a very low expense of input power, as examples Tesla coils in the lower power range, such as slayer exciters, or also parametric oscillators  with opposing magnetic fields(remember: cancel H and get 2E). Also BEMF pulses could likely be suitable to setup the required E-field.

Earlier I have posted some theory about the principals of some of Akulas and Ruslans devices here.

Hopefully this thread will shed some more light on this.

Regards Vidura.

 

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Atti posted this 4 weeks ago

Hi Vidura.

In your opinion, what would be the ideal tool in terms of practical implementation (so in what technical implementation)? Because the ultimate goal would be to operate some kind of household appliance for each user.So what do you mean specifically?
Or something similar :
-Paolo Correa PAGD https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/esp_ciencia_aether_a.htm
-Geoffrey Spence  https://docplayer.hu/1170921-V-resz-alkalmazasi-peldak-143.html

Atti.

Vidura posted this 4 weeks ago

Atti,

As practical implementations I am thinking in the devices from Kapanadze, Ruslan, Dniester. They use mostly a tesla coil to setup the potential, and apply the pulses to a resonant oscillatory circuit, which is working on a different, much lower frequency. A load is connected to one branch of the latter. Of course this is only a hypothesis for now, but it could be the Induction by the E-field, which would coupling to the second resonant circuit via an open ended coil spiral, or a massive metal rod. It might accomplish the function of a capacitor plate, being o portion of the grenade coil the second plate. The grenade coil would correspond to the conductive object(metal sphere in the above experiment), in which the separation of charges would find place. The cancelling  H-fields on the other end of the grenade might enhance the liberation of electrons, while the potential would be provided by the teslacoil, thru coupling by the E-field, without depleting it's energy. Of course it is mandatory to make this working, that the pulses from the teslacoil are 1. unipolar- rectified, and 2. synchronized in phase with one quadrant of the wave of the low frequency oscillations. Also a ground connection to the correct point of the load circuit is important, in order to be able to discharge the stored E potential. I would suggest an experimental setup as simple as possible to study the interaction between two circuits coupled by E-field influence.

Vidura  

Vidura posted this 2 weeks ago

Some more thoughts to share on this topic. In continuation of this principal of charge acceleration in first place some very basic definitions: As pointed out so many times by Chris, what is electric current- charges in movement, by definition a certain amount of electrons moving thru a defined region of space. If we consider a conventional transformer, we know that(mostly) the current and voltage will be in direct relationship to the Pri-Sec turns ratio. We could say that the current (amount of free electrons)is related to the change of magnetic flux / time / nr of turns. So it would be straightforward to use a stepdown transformer to "produce" a great amount of free electrons, as source of charges for our accelerator. Then we have to look at the potential, what is potential? We could imagine it as pressure, a term used in Teslas time. In the analogy of a waterpipe it would be the difference of altitude, where gravity is exerting  a force towards the centre of the planet, thus producing a pressure on the lower area of the pipe. Id the case of electric current we might visualize it as the force exerted on the charges by the E-field. The stronger the E-field, the greater the pressure. But also the dynamical aspect has to be taken in account, as the charges have mass there is inertia involved. So if the fast moving charges are slowed down(by impedance of a load), the appearing pressure will rise. If the charged particles are the cause of the E-field, or if the latter make charges appear,  or if another phenomenon is involved, let this be in the scope of another discussion, personally I don't know yet. So continuing with the hypothesis, the question is if we have the means to produce huge currents with a relatively small input, and we also can obtain high voltages very efficiently, is it then possible to combine both in order to get an output exceeding the inputs?  Here a design suggestion, to make some experiments for a proof of concept:

 The primary oscillator would be conveniently self-resonating. The input signal of the Sync-timer is connected to the feedback coil of this oscillator, but also a current sense on the secondary could be considered as an option. The Sync-timer would do the processing of the signal, and output the signals to enable-disable the unipolar high voltage pulses, and drive the IGBTs for energy extraction in and out to ground. The high voltage source in this design is a parametric transformer, but it could as well be replaced by a Tesla coil. Ideally a PLL would be used, as possibly the load conditions will have an influence on the resonant frequency.

If we think logically, the amount of power to be produced would be dependent on the following parameters:

  1. The current circulating in the resonant tank  TR1-L1-C1. A heavy and thick wire and a low ESR capacitor should be used, as well as major stepdown ratio of the transformer.
  2. The voltage on the injection coil L3, a higher voltage would accelerate charges to more speed. A trade-off

 for practical implementation has to be found, specially the high voltage-high frequency rectification.

  1. The frequency of the tank circuit, also a trade-off to match the specifications of the power extraction switches.

 

The timing could be something like in the following drawing:

The Power would be extracted at the second and forth quadrant of the sinewave (Current?).

Of course only experiments will show the best adjustments, and more than all if it is possible at all to make this work.

 Your comments and suggestions are appreciated.

Vidura.

 

Chris posted this 2 weeks ago

Hey Vidura,

Great Post! I must say:

As pointed out so many times by Chris

 

I am sorry about that!

For me, repetition is key to staying on topic. Also I must think of new comers, allowing for proper understanding of the topic at hand.

If one is to observe the Simplification from this circuit:

 

to this circuit:

 

Then we must observe Akula's understanding gained, improved the Circuit such, that half the Circuit was not necessary. This is from Lantern No#3 to Lantern No#4. Evolutionary advancement!

I believe your idea's are right, spot on in fact. I only wonder if there may be an easier simpler way for you to achieve the goal?

As always Vidura, your work is superb! Your ideas are very beneficial and very useful! All I try to do is aim for simplicity.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,

   Chris

Vidura posted this 2 weeks ago

Hi Chris, thanks for the input, no problem for the repetition, I still can't remember the exact amount of electrons per amperelaughing.

For sure there might be other ways, some more simples to test this hypothesis, that is why feedback from others is apreciated. Actually in my opinion the opposing wound part of the grenade coil would accomplish the free electrons supply in one single coil, but the tuning to resonance might be more tricky as with separate modules. Anyway the design is no rocket science, just standard electronics, timing circuits, oscillators, phaselocked loop and such things. But maybe someone has a suggestion for a much simpler setup for a proof of concept. At this moment I have barely some free moments to build the circuit, but I would like to proof or disproof this hipothesis. 

Thank's to all for makink this great Forum possible.

Vidura.

Chris posted this 2 weeks ago

Hey Vidura,

In my opinion, your work Here, it is obvious you have the "Generation" of Energy during Off Time on the Input.

 

Unique Circuit Operation and knowing how to do it! You have the answer's already.

Best wishes, stay safe and well,

   Chris

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