Fringe Experiments With VTA Style POCs

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FringeIdeas posted this 4 days ago

Hey!

Starting a new thread for this. But it's sort of a continuation of this thread and post fringeideas-non-inductive-coil-experiment.

This is my experiments with the Floyd Sweet VTA style POCs.

 

Specs:

  • 0.8 mm wire, each coil is 250 turns, CW and CCW wound. 
  • 3 mm gap in between the coils.
  • 3 mm gap between each magnet and its adjacent coil.
  • CSA is about 54 mm x 105 mm.
  • Coils length is about 14 mm or so.
  • Magnets are 150x102x12 mm (I also have a few 150x102x25 mm magnets).
  • The core material is taken from a microwave oven transformer, hacked to pieces.

 

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FringeIdeas posted this 4 days ago

First, Chris, kind of funny. I mentioned I had actually seen that slow rise of the voltage and brushed it off as a bad scope or probe. But also, when I first built this particular build I had also noticed the limited frequency range in which the bulb would light. I built the second setup with ferrite thinking that would help but it didn't. So I concluded that the coupling between the coils was just horrible, and I put them on the shelf. 😄 My my, I step over a lot of things that are right in my face.


So, I went ahead and replicated the effect shown in Chris's video here..
 


I noticed in the comments of that video that someone had mentioned it might be the bulb heating up. Which kind of makes sense, I guess. But if I am of the correct understanding, voltage should be there, over the bulb, immediately, despite the resistance of the load. Current of course should rise a little as the bulb heats up and the resistance drops. But not the voltage.


So, I made a video. Two parts. The first part I have a normal MOT with the coils and I show it's not the bulb. I address the flashing at lower frequencies, and the low (upper) frequency at which the bulb goes out. I also talk a bit about how this effect cannot be due to impedance, or core material, standard explainations, etc. Then in the second part of the video I show my build of this particular configuration, on which I threw a 100 turn input coil of 0.6 mm wire, and it shows the effect. Sorry it is not as pronounced as Chris's, but it's there no doubt.


Here is my video, it got kind of long, 15 minutes, but it's good I think.
 


Also, at the end of the video, I mention that the effect reminds me of Chris saying (somewhere?) that the POCs act like a capacitor, and two videos come to mind. One by Steven Marks and one by Akula.


In the Steven Marks video he turns the device upside down, and it starts "winding down". I think there are other videos of his where he talks about this effect. Winding up and/or winding down, even though in this video when he turns it back upright the voltage is immediately back up. Here at about the 2:40 mark
 


In Akula's video, he has a similar device which he hooks up to an incandescent light bulb and shows how it takes a while for the voltage to build. His takes a bit over one minute. Here at roughly 6 minutes into the video, he shows and uses the words "as the system accelerates".
 


Anyway, I'm not sure if that is what we are seeing here, but it really resembles it. It definitely seems like there is more of a separation between POC interactions and the input. I'll definitely be playing with this, while trying not to step over anymore obvious effect 😀


Thanks!
Marcel

Chris posted this 4 days ago

Hey Marcel,

Awesome work! Thank You for Sharing and also for confirming the same set of effects we have discussed.

Now, the Coil Structure you have built, it is by itself, a Solid State Electromagnetic Induction Black Box. For most people, this is no big deal, but there is more!

We have Voltage Generated via Charge Separation, and the Current is Pumped via Bucking/Opposing Magnetic Fields, this we already know from prior experiments. The Black Box we all were used to seeing, is now completely clear, see through and we have a full and complete understanding of how this works!

We need to, when you're ready, focus on the Feedforward and back techniques, meaning, we need two of these Coil Structures, the same, and we need to carefully feed the Output of One POC, P1, into the other, in the opposite Coil, P2:

 

We get a Self Oscillating effect going here:

Sparky explains that there is a little part in the Generator that he has withheld from disclosure – A $1.50 part from Radio Shack that could be gotten at 30c in quantity that is not a capacitor (no resonance effects) that divides the current somehow into the circuit being Spherical With light bulb filament parallel, that puts a small µa current into the Power Coil as well as the Excitation Coil, that works with the Magnets in such a way that there is halved A Vector Complementarity ( he calls this unit a: "Vector Oscillator" )

Ref: Floyd Sweet Lab Notes

 

Now, we must note, Walt Rosenthal gave us these gems:

The VTA "likes" to always see a minimum load of 25 watts. 

 

And:

The VTA can be started by momentary connection of a 9 volt battery to the drive coils when the machine is operated in the self-powered mode. The operation is stopped by momentary interruption of power to the power coils. 

 

The VTA was a: Vector Oscillator

 

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FringeIdeas posted this 3 days ago

Chris,

Glad to help! And just to be clear, I need to order another set of magnets I guess?

Strange thought, but I'm starting to feel that the magnets just served as a path for the coil flux, and nothing more. Like an iron plate would be a suitable replacement if the magnets broke. Just a funny thought. Don't read too deep into that anyone please. 😄

I'll get back to building and reading up a bit on the feedforward and feedback.

Thank you!

Marcel

Chris posted this 3 days ago

Hey Marcel,

No, you can use the one set, just build 2x Power Coils like Floyd Sweet did.

 

Later on, we will see, the Magnets Flux will move, its going to do work later on, in other Coils as well as add some energy to the Power Coils.

Best Wishes,

   Chris

FringeIdeas posted this 3 days ago

Ah ok, again, I stepped over the obvious. So four coils, basically utilizing the same space. That is good, I was running out of core material. 😀 I'll start building.

Edit: Chris. Speaking of core material, I've been meaning to ask, if I have not already. Where did you get your material from for this build? And what material is it exactly?

Thanks!

Marcel

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Chris posted this 3 days ago

Hey Marcel,

I collected the I Laminations over the years. I collected the UPS's that my Clients were replacing, the Eaton 1K and 1.5K and stripped out the transformers.

There was an image here:

 

The I laminations:

 

After disassembly, you can collect the I Laminations:

 

I lugged around and took the time to strip down the transformers over the years.

Best Wishes,

   Chris

FringeIdeas posted this 12 hours ago

Chris, thanks! I wish it was a bit easier to find parts in Finland. I have a friend who knows someone that works at ABB. He was trying to get us in to the factory so we could grab scrap metal from the large generators and motors they build. So far no permission, let's see. I'll have to keep trying to locate free microwaves online until then.

So.. build complete!

Four independent coils. Two wound cc and two ccw. The POCs will be paired so that, for example, the left side has POC1 on top and POC2 on bottom. Then the right side the same. The coils are 250 turns of 0.8 mm wire each. The core material is a MOT core cut up into pieces and jammed in like tetris with a bit of epoxy. Core cross section is 36x62 mm, and 25 mm wide, each. This time I took the core material straight to the edge, I did not build the gap into the former itself. I have also 3d printed spacers for between the coils and between each magnet and coil. 3mm, 2mm, and 1mm, so I can play with different spacing.

 

 

 

Today I have got a bit busy with house work, but tomorrow I plan to give this a bit of attention. First I'd like to see if I can use only two of the coils to find the same slow rise in voltage that existed with the bigger coils. Observe how it differs from the larger coils, and why. Then I'll get back to reading a bit more about feedforward and feedback, and try connecting the POCs criss-cross like the Floyd Sweet schematic.

Edit: My focus has been a bit scattered so I'll focus on this setup and shelf the RT experiments and spark gap stuff temporarily.

Thanks!

Marcel

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