Magnetic Field Observations

  • Topic Is Sticky
  • Topic Is Locked
  • 1.3K Views
  • Last Post 4 days ago
Chris posted this 12 August 2017

I would like to share what I have learned, and what I think the Magnetic Field is, the geometry of it, and some experiments to find out more about the Magnetic Field.

Again, I have covered much of this information in my PDF document: Guidelines to Bucking Coils

The following images show how I believe the Magnetic Field to be and its geometry when changing in Time:

  

Some simple experiments and some observations can guide these above conclusions:

 

 

Below, I tried to show, how the Magnetic Field lines shown by Ferro Fluid, are not as the Iron Filing Experiment shows, not looped back on themselves, but as Howard Johnson showed: (PDF attached below)

 

The best image I have found with Ferro Fluid is shown below:

The Magnetic Field is an Inverse Square Law Force Field, that means as distance is travelled away from the Source of the Magnetic Field, the Magnetic Field gets weaker.

 

Thomson's Model of the Electron Configuration

Corkes in water with Magnetic Needle attracted to a Solenoid Magnet.

 

The above very interesting experiment is from the following video: @39.38

 

 

It is well known in Science, that a long Solenoid has no Magnetic Field at all on the outside of the solenoid: @30:17 

 

 

I think we need to see, the geometry of the Magnetic Field may very well not be what we have been taught in school, and in point of fact, many researchers have shown many experiments that question the Iron Filing Experiment:

PDF also attached below of the above image. Astro Physics also now agrees with this model of the Magnetic Field: interplanetary magnetic field (IMF)

  

Which explains this basic motor:

 

 

The problem that no one seems to realise with the Iron Filing Experiment is that Iron is Magnetic and like the Paper Clip Experiment, each paper clip will attract magnetically to the next.   

What is the Magnetic Field, it is a Tornado of normally unfelt, undetected, Aether, the medium we swim in, Space Time, the medium that is universal, that carries Electromagnetic Waves, that propagate all the Fields of Nature. The medium which enables Light to travel. Quintessence, the fifth element.

When Technology works because you understand something, its a sure bet you understand correctly.

   Chris 

Attached Files

Order By: Standard | Newest | Votes
Zanzal posted this 13 August 2017

The Walter Lewin MIT lectures are best I've seen. Although I've never finished them all, that one in particular is my favorite. I would recommend them highly to anyone who hasn't watched them.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Vasile posted this 13 August 2017

Mainstream science does not entirely and correctly theorize how a transformer works because if the lines of flux are almost all in the core (aprox. 99%) and 1% is leaked flux,how come we get that high of a power transfer from primary to secondary if only this 1% leakage flux has the ability to cut the secondary wires.

Relate to this topic watch from 34:47

 

 

P.S.: Maybe the power in the secondary does not directly come from the primary

Chris posted this 13 August 2017

Hi Vasile - Thanks for the post.

Electrostatics is a field with many undiscovered possibility's, I am sure. Worth study for those that have plenty of money and the right equipment and most importantly the right skill set!

However, Transformers are not an Electrostatic Device.

The Magnetic A Vector Potential, one and the same as the Motional E-Field (E = B x V), are well known and well utilised today. It is a shame Eric did not know about it.

 

 

Richard Feynman is a very good resource (PDF's attached below), George I. Cohn (Flux Linking Law) and many other resources also exist that explain the Magnetic A Vector Potential. As Floyd Sweet said, this field is related to Gravity, it can not be shielded, William J Hooper is also another very good resource, a pioneer in the study of the Magnetic and Electric Fields in those days. Really to be credited for as much as we know today!

It really is well worth studding this. In my years of research, 9 out of 10 Energy Machines use this exact same Physical Effect, the Magnetic A Vector Potential as do Partnered Output Coils. Walter Lewin also explains it in the Long Solenoid Video above.

 

 

 

Richard Feynman MP3 <<<--- please take some time to listen to it.

The movement of the Magnetic Field, creates the Magnetic A Vector Potential, it is purely an Electric Field. If the Magnetic Field is not moving, then there is no Magnetic A Vector Potential, no Electric Field in Space..

 

   Chris

Attached Files

  • Liked by
  • alohalaoha
alohalaoha posted this 13 August 2017

Sorry Chris, old fellow, I must correct your last statement because Vector Magnetic Potential A→ is the PRIMARY SUBSTANCE and REAL ENTITY ....

In principle, generalized "magnetic field" can be introduced as a 4-vector, i.e. 3 spatial components of the "ordinary" H vector magnetic field Hx.Hy.Hz plus the scalar one. One we can introduce the generalized potential as a 4-vector, simply supplementing 3 spatial components of the Vector Magnetic Potential Ax. Ay, Az by one component of the scalar potential. This is how the so-called "electromagnetic potential" is introduced in modern physics.

Chris, only Vector Magnetic Potential A→ is fully capable of giving us a full description of all these "magnetic" and "induction" phenomena. Magnetic fields, are real spatial derivatives of the vector potential, To illustrate this conclusion by experimental data is a fact that around current carrying copper conductor of high conduction current density, near absolute zero temperature /several degres aboove/, ordinary H vector magnetic field does not exist in space around conductor, WHILE electric field DO EXIST, because....

Or more, here is another very simple experiment in which every one can see with own eyes that Vector Magnetic Potential easy explains the phenomenon of electro-magnetic induction in cases when the concept of a vector magnetic field can not do this - because don't exist in experimenT.... but what really exist is the PRIMARY SUBSTANCE, Vector Magnetic Potential A→

 

p/s. The scalar potential developed by a spinning current-carrying solenoid

Joseph B Tate

Journal of Physics D: Applied Physics

DATA: 01-11-1974

http://arch.neicon.ru/xmlui/handle/123456789/1909523  

Regards

Aloha

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Chris posted this 13 August 2017

Hi Aloha, I agree, yes, I think you have covered in more detail.

Its true guys, The Magnetic A Vector Potential is the root cause of all the fields we know today. Its so important!!! Its true when they say we live in an Electric Universe, filled with Magnetic A Vector Potentials. Its all Charge with dynamic movement, much cancelling each other because it appears to be non uniform.

Please study the The Magnetic A Vector Potential if you have not already, it will save you a world of time to know about it.

   Chris 

  • Liked by
  • alohalaoha
Vasile posted this 14 August 2017

The movement of the Magnetic Field, creates the Magnetic A Vector Potential, it is purely an Electric Field. If the Magnetic Field is not moving, then there is no Magnetic A Vector Potential, no Electric Field in Space..

I observe most of us are caught only in magnetism which is a shame because there is another side which is electrostatics.An interesting phenomena that may interest is the interaction of a magnet and an electret(the analog of a magnet).I quote from wikipedia:

Electrets, like magnets, are dipoles. Another similarity is the radiant fields: They produce an electrostatic field (as opposed to a magnetic field) around their perimeter. When a magnet and an electret are near one another, a rather unusual phenomenon occurs: while stationary, neither has any effect on one another. However, when an electret is moved with respect to a magnetic pole, a force is felt which acts perpendicular to the magnetic field, pushing the electret along a path 90 degrees to the expected direction of 'push' as would be felt with another magnet.

Something appears to add up.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Chris posted this 14 August 2017

Hey Vasile, I did do a lot of study on Electrets and the history of them when the VTA Storey was changed.

I can tell you with certainty, Floyd Sweet did not use an Electret in his early VTA all the way up until Generation Four ( > 500 Watts COP = ∞ ), at least. After that, I can not be certain.

After studding the Electret I learned that an Aluminium Box would have shorted out the Electret and it would have had absolutely no benefit to the system.

I have a Rule I live by: Believe nothing you're told, only let Facts do the talking.

I think this way, because of the following Quote:

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me

- George Horne

It is sad but true, the Vacuum Triode Amplifier story has seen so many miss-truths told, its just not funny! If I told you about the money I spent, the experiments I have done, the thousands of Hours I have spent... Only some of which I posted on my Website...One must learn very quickly, look at the Facts.

We have working Devices, Proof of Concept Devices, shown to you by many people! Some Independent, some not, none of the devices shown are Electrostatic in Nature, there is no Magic to this!

There is No Magic to this!

 I urge everyone, Think Simple, force yourself to not over complicate what does not need to be complicated!

 

   Chris

 

P.S: If you wish, please feel free to create another Thread for Electrostatics, we are really diverging from topic.

 

alohalaoha posted this 14 August 2017

Chris any info about secret jewish world governement corporation, where working Sweet's VTA device, his lab research papers and all his equipment has gone ?

p/s.the first step in our win is to recognize and study our enemies of FREE ENERGY ..... and keep eyes on them.....because all in this artificial teraforming world is 180 degree flipped.

 

on the TOP of whole matri-X are extraterrestrial beings - down their pawns from SJWG.

 yes GOLDEN RULE - Believe nothing you're told, only let Facts do the talking.

Believe nothing you're told, only let Facts do the talking.

Attached Files

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Chris posted this 14 August 2017

Hi Aloha, we should concentrate on the topic, not diverge, or we will loose momentum.

But yes, we do have a job to do, we must stick to hard provable Facts.

   Chris

  • Liked by
  • alohalaoha
Vince posted this 05 July 2018

I have seen many discussions re magnetic lines of flux over the years.  Many have observed that passing a bar magnet over a wire generates raucous noise within ear phones or speakers that is consistent with a non homogeneous field interpretation.

If you pass a magnetic field through a stack of steel sheets you can observe them separating.  I believe this is due to flux leakage over, and under each sheet.  The flux being of same polarity is in self repulsion. 

"

As we know magnetic flux within the material of a permanent magnet is also non-homogeneous.  There are domains within the material that are magnetized and areas that are not.  Flux passing through from domain to domain in line with the flux flow path would also, I imagine, repel flux of nearby domains perpendicular to the direction of flow in the same way. 

Therefore it would be reasonable to assume that the flux does not leave a magnet in an homogeneous field either.  It is likely passing through discreet domains on, or near the surface of the magnet, and perhaps thereafter remains in paths that continue to repel each other.  Below is a very rough image of what I imagine might be occurring.  The flux exiting from surface domains.

Magnetic flux exiting, or entering magnet.

I imagine that if the above image bears any resemblance to actual reality these whirls of flux (virtual photons?) would also tend to wind around each other in a similar way to a flow of plasma.  Thereby making ropes of whirling flux that by mutual repulsion spread out away from each other before coming closer again as they re enter the magnet.  If I had time and talent I would have drawn them that way, but I have neither.

What do you think?

 

Chris posted this 05 July 2018

Hey Vince,

My View seems to be very close to yours. Anything is possible and the very next Experiment could prove either way.

   Chris

  • Liked by
  • Vidura
Vidura posted this 06 July 2018

Mr.Blobby, this man has a serie of very interesting videos on his channel, it's worth looking thru.

  • Liked by
  • mrblobby
  • Chris
Idea1man posted this 06 July 2018

Here's an explanation of magnetism that seems to be correct. The electron spin direction seems to govern attraction and repulsion.

 

 

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Idea1man posted this 06 July 2018

Yes, mrblobby, Ken Wheeler's material has been posted here. The problem is no one can understand what he is talking about.

Can you explain what "counter-SPACE" is? What does he mean by inertial plane? Why is it dielectric, electrically insulating?

It appears he agrees with Walter Russell, but it takes years to understand that level.

Keep watching Wheeler's videos. He the most arrogant man. He keeps claiming that he's the only person in the world that understands it. I'm sick of him.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Marathonman posted this 07 July 2018

Electricity is always  driven back to it's self (counter space). the third dimension which is canceled by two dimensions of magnetism leaves one dimension  of current flow. it has nothing to do with magnetism as is just a by product of nature. magnetism is not the direct cause of current flow but the indirect cause of current flow. magnetism is the direct opposite coin of the flip side of Electric flow which is the governing mechanism to current flow.

you may or may not agree but Magnetism is the governing factor to current in our Universe. it does control it or our Universe would destroy it's self.

Marathonman

  • Liked by
  • Vidura
Vince posted this 07 July 2018

This is very impressive.  After going to his profile on Youtube I was even further impressed by the man himself.

Sharply focused on uncovering truth.  Thoughts and observations that are simple, coherent and tightly focused.  Unencumbered by a need to feed a ravenous ego or the endless needs of the materially focused world outside.  It is men like this that achieve so much with so little, having never lost the simple curiosity of a child, coupled with an aggregation of knowledge and wisdom.

I'm grateful to have seen this.

 

Idea1man posted this 07 July 2018

Marathonman   ...   You have a unique grasp of truth. You should write a book so we can see more of what you are talking about.

 

Vince  ..  Are you talking about UFOpolitics or Ken Wheeler? UFOpolitics is really a good channel.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Vince posted this 07 July 2018

Vince  ..  Are you talking about UFOpolitics or Ken Wheeler?

Sorry Idea1man, I should refresh the page more often before I write comments.  I went to   Mike Palazzola's Youtube channel after seeing mrblobbey's posted video and spent quite some time watching his videos.  As is often the case other things caught my attention on Youtube and I watched them too. 

I was referring to Mike Palazzola.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Vince posted this 09 July 2018

UFOpolitics is really a good channel

It's been a long time since I have looked at UFO's channel Bob, or any channel as such.  Thank you for reminding me.  It is much more extensive than the last time I went there.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Vince posted this 09 July 2018

Eric Dollard describes counter space as the space inside materials Bob.  Whether this is what the overall understanding is, or not, I have no idea.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Vince posted this 09 July 2018

It seems that much has been learned about magnetic fields.  The videos linked herein contain a lot of very interesting material and certainly food for thought.  An entire banquet in fact.

However, I am a simple minded man.  I see much here about the magnetic fields of, magnets.  These magnets are composed of a great many more magnetic domains, which are in fact aggregations of many many more individual magnetic fields.  Trying to digest all of this, to me, is like trying to swallow an entire beast in a single mouthful.  I still don't understand what a magnetic field is at it's most fundamental level.  The magnetic field of a single electron, or proton.

How can the field around a solitary charge have either a north or south pole?  It would seem that it takes a change in permeability for polarization to occur in the first place. Is there a north or south pole within a magnetized toroid? I can't imagine that there could be.  

It is like trying to fully comprehend how a 560 tonne A 380 manages to fly without yet understanding how a kite does.  When I was a child I would repeat what I heard and pass that off as knowledge.  Eventually I learned that memorizing facts is not the same as real comprehension.  

I can't begin to even try to comprehend something like this in it's macro form, if I know so little of the the fundamental unit. 

Starting small and adding to that in steps is progressive.  I need to progress from the fundamental I think.  Is it just me?  Am I completely missing something?

 

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Idea1man posted this 09 July 2018

==I can't begin to even try to comprehend something like this in it's macro form, if I know so little of the the fundamental unit. Starting small and adding to that in steps is progressive.  I need to progress from the fundamental I think.  Is it just me?  Am I completely missing something?==

Vince  ...   Magnetism must be the most difficult thing to understand. And then there's several different theories about it, such as "is there a magnetic current, or not". The latest info, I'm looking at, says that it's single unpaired electrons that make a metal magnetic. They say paired electrons spin in opposite directions thus canceling the electric-magnetic forces. It makes sense that electrons spin, since planets, stars, and galaxies spin. I guess that the electrostatic force is the magnetic force at a different angle.   ...  Bob

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Vince posted this 11 July 2018

Ken Wheeler shows an experiment with a very large magnet and a gyroscope, and asks us to explain the observations in the video below "

The gyroscope under those conditions is acting as an homo-polar generator without power takeoff.  As we know a conductive material spun in an axial magnetic field will develop charge distribution around the rim via Lorentz force.  The distributed charge is also spinning such that it's own resultant magnetic field reinforces the causative field.

If the spinning disk is moved to the side the field is no longer evenly distributed through the disk and eddy currents develop as the charge around the rim tries to redistribute itself.  These eddy currents are the reason it slows down more quickly at the side. 

If this is incorrect I would be gratefully corrected.  If someone else has a better theory, I would like to see that too.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Vidura posted this 15 July 2018

MrBlobby This is far the best visualization of magnetic fields I have seen!

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Aetherholic posted this 16 July 2018

Interesting video but......

Zeeman effect..................... bah humbug!

What is a flame? Release of dielectric charge.

What is a magnet? A dielectric object.

What is magnetism? The dielectric field in motion.

So of course magnetism will affect anything which is in dielectric release or is a coaxial circuit such as light.

Just my 2 cents worth.............

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Idea1man posted this 16 July 2018

Vince Quote: "a conductive material spun in an axial magnetic field will develop charge distribution around the rim via Lorentz force.  The distributed charge is also spinning such that it's own resultant magnetic field reinforces the causative field."

Thank you, Vince, for that Wheeler video, and your explanation. I'll quote you on my Tesla Unipolar topic. The magic of the symmetric circle (disk) when centered.

Not noted by Wheeler, the direction of the spinning disk, and the pole of the magnet, determine whether the spinning is reinforced or opposed.

 

Chris posted this 16 July 2018

Hey Bob,

I like that you have come forward with a difference of opinion but done it with evidence.

Everybody is welcome to their own opinion and this opinion should never be shot down. I encourage individual thinking.

Although I have my own opinion that differs from yours, I like to see others at the same time, it broadens my horizons.

The Inverse Square Law and its evident effects solve the Long Solenoid Problem, the fact that we can see that Magnetic Field Lines are not on enclosure on themselves as all textbooks would have every student believe.speaks volumes to me.

   Chris

 

  • Liked by
  • mrblobby
Idea1man posted this 17 July 2018

Chris and mrblobby   ...  Thank you for being polite.

  • Liked by
  • Vince
  • Chris
Vince posted this 17 July 2018

With regard to the video above "Two magnets and a steel ball" the field lines have me intrigued.  They look like they might be refracted via the glass. or whatever the window is made of.  I have seen radio waves refracted by, wait for it, a magnifying glass before.  That astonished me.

Does anyone know if it is refraction?

 

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Vince posted this 17 July 2018

I don't know about that Aetherholic.  You may well be correct, but I think it might be that a flame is plasma.  And if that is true, it would be affected by a magnetic field.  I could be wrong, but these guys think it is too Ask a Mathemetician.

Vince posted this 17 July 2018

Not noted by Wheeler, the direction of the spinning disk, and the pole of the magnet, determine whether the spinning is reinforced or opposed

Yes, that is true Bob.  However there is another part to this story that I've rarely if ever seen mentioned.

If the field and rotation are such that there are excess free electrons toward the outer rim the field will, on the outer part of the disk, be inline with the causative magnetic field.  However, if there are excess electrons at the rim, there is also a depletion toward the center of the disk.  The angular speed on the outer rim is much greater than the speed of the depleted area, so the electrons field predominates.  If it is the other way around, so that the rim is depleted, the same applies for the excess electrons toward the center.  They are not travelling as quickly and therefore the depletion area predominates.  The fact that there are actually two fields appearing in the disk simultaneously is apparently ignored.

And thank you for pointing out that my post was/is only correct half the time Bob.

Actually, that is a little self flattering.  It is equally true that my post was/is incorrect half the time.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Idea1man posted this 17 July 2018

==And thank you for pointing out that my post was/is only correct half the time Bob.==

Vince   ...   I wasn't trying to correct you. Actually, I guessed that, after your explanation. I never thought of the idea of charge separation when the disk is not connected to brushes. And I've never read that from any source. An experiment is needed to see the results. I've posted a video on my Tesla Unipolar topic, that shows an upward levitation when the spinning gyroscope is a magnet over a large copper disk. Amazingly, the upward force is stronger at a certain higher elevation.

Also, your noticing, that the rim speed is higher than the inner speed, is another very rare insight.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Idea1man posted this 17 July 2018

I'm going to make an apology of sorts, not a retraction. I had no way of knowing who may be believing Mr. Wheeler. Evidently he is the source for a number of members here. I did not mean to criticize anyone here. I also was very enamored with Wheeler when I first saw his eBook.

Another note on Bloch and Neel Walls, they do not move when other magnets are attached. They are a fixed area within the metal.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Vince posted this 17 July 2018

Please Bob, I take no offence whatsoever.  I overlooked that and for the benefit of all, correction is a very good thing indeed.  There will never be a day where I don't overlook something, or make mistakes.

When I say thank you, I mean exactly that.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Vince posted this 17 July 2018

If there is a voltage at the outer part of the rim and a corresponding opposite voltage toward the center there must be charge separation.  As much as voltage is not actually a measurement of charge, it is certainly equivalent in all circumstances I can think of.  That is worthy of debate I believe.  However I stand by that position for want of one if such a debate were to be engaged in.  I would actually like to read others opinion on this as I know there are many clever people here who might like to have a say in this that we could all profit from, so to speak.

When I say charge, I mean charge that is measurable above or below neutral.  If there is zero impedance (resistance) in a circuit, there is no voltage, and therefore no charge is evident either.  There may well be charge carriers in motion throughout a circuit that has zero impedance but this is not measurable by normal means.  Once impedance is introduced into a circuit charge piles up in from of, or are depleted downstream of that impedance and are then evident and measurable.

In the case of the spinning disk, the outer edge of the rim, and the center, are virtually infinite resistances, if you disregard any ionic leakage for the sake of argument.  However, I should mention that they can be discerned by the presence of a magnetic field.

If I am wrong I will learn something on correction.  If not, nothing is lost.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Idea1man posted this 18 July 2018

mrblooby, we are already talking about that video.

  • Liked by
  • mrblobby
  • Chris
Idea1man posted this 18 July 2018

Best in class; a better way to see field lines in 3D hardened gel. Skip to 6:25 to avoid teaching how to make the gel.

 

 

Idea1man posted this 19 July 2018

This is very worthwhile. Strange magnet effects. Skip to 4:25 to see odd behavior of magnets with a steel ball and a steel plate. The steel attracts more than the magnet. And a plate of steel allows two same-pole magnets to stick together.

 

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Chris posted this 22 July 2018

Hey Bob,

I have been really busy the last few days, so a little behind.

If I may say, any experiment that changes the conditions that make for an observation are not valid experiments because of this change.

E.G: The Iron Fillings Experiment:

Because the Iron Fillings are inherently Magnetic, they also become small Magnets, thus changing the conditions of the Experiment. 

We need to be careful of experiments making for proof of anything when the proof is not proof of anything except that we have changed the conditions of the Experiment.

   Chris

Idea1man posted this 22 July 2018

Chris  ...  Iron filings, or powder, on a magnet definitely is a trick phenomenon, because, as you know, the pieces become magnetized so they link to each other. That means there are no lines of magnetic force. The force is everywhere in the space around the magnet. Everything is tricky to understand about magnetism. But, the fact that these linked lines bend, is an indicator of areas of strength or weakness of the magnetic field.

What I wanted to show, and I should make my own video, is that iron particles do not start sticking to the midline of a magnet when you begin dropping them only there. Your iron pointer, on a string, experiment shows that it moves to the poles. That confirms that the midline is not a "pole" conjunction of two tori, as in many image depictions.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
  • Vasile
Marathonman posted this 22 July 2018

The only thing that proves is the iron filings link to dominant strength magnetic field lines not the weaker ones which will cause the direct connection to each pole.

Two tori is the 3-D way of nature and can be seen everywhere, iron distorts this and can not be an exact representation ever as they are in fact magnets that will link to the dominant field at all times. iron filings are not a true representation of a real magnetic field in any way shape or form. you will be fooling yourself if you think so.

Regards,

Marathonman

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Vince posted this 23 July 2018

It would seem that anything you put into a magnetic field is going to affect the field itself.  This has been a problem in electromagnets (Error:  should have been electro-magnetics.  my apology) for over a century.  Any measurement, or other visualization method will affect the outcome.  

However, sometimes it's possible to predetermine that affect so that it can be account for.  A laser, being a beam of coherent electromagnetic waves, or particles, will be affected by a magnetic field whether it is static or otherwise.  The reciprocal affect that the laser has on the field being observed can be predetermined and accounted for.

An atomic spin (for sodium, essentially the spin of the valence electron) precesses in a transverse magnetic field, that is, the spin axis rotates. The frequency of this precession, known as the Larmor frequency, is directly proportional to the magnitude of the field, with the proportionality given simply by fundamental constants. Therefore, determining this frequency is equivalent to measuring the magnetic field.

A magnet located in a vapor containing sodium can be swept with a laser.  By plotting the deflections it should be possible to see the actual truth of the shape and path of the H field around magnets.  Of course the laser will have some affect on the field, but that can be calibrated.  It should therefore now be possible to see a magnets H field in 3D, in absolute detail with at least 99% accuracy.

It would offer a definitive answer to a debate that's raged for some time now.  I have plenty of magnets, and a bag of salt.  If someone could just toss me a few hundred thousand dollars we could start tomorrow

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Marathonman posted this 23 July 2018

I personally think that is why an Electromagnet is so much stronger than a magnet can ever be is from the fact that the winding's mid way on an Electromagnet block the field lines from the center plane. all lines are forced to and from pole to pole allowing it to be much more concentrated at the poles. that and the fact that iron is an Aetheric Concentrator.

I know it sounds silly buy just some little observations i have done through out the years.

Regards,

Marathonman

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Idea1man posted this 23 July 2018

Chris   ...  I included more than iron powder videos. Did you watch the one using a compass? The different compass positions do not link together with each other. They do not show any deflection inward at the equator of the magnet.

Also, look at all of the depictions of the Ionosphere. No measurements in science show the Ionosphere curving into the equator from both poles. If it did, there would be a death zone of radiation around both sides of the equator.

 

Chris posted this 23 July 2018

Hey Bob,

Yes I saw, I merely gave an example of the Iron Filing Experiment due to the inherent short comings of the experiment that Science has used to lay a path of investigation into Magnetics. It is perhaps one of the worst Historical Experiments, that has been used to show a phenomena.

The Inverse Square Law, and the fact that Iron Fillings introduce a much greater immediate Permeability, a space much easier for Magnetic Flux to traverse, to the immediate space changes the entire underlying Phenomena being observed, the same as one may be able to pick up 100 paper clips using a Permanent Magnet.

Lets not forget, there is already the Earths magnetic Field present at the current location, how many paper clips can be picked up using the Earths magnetic Field?

We clearly have changed the conditions of the experiment. Many examples exist, where the conditions are changed, so study of the phenomena, the Magnetic Field, can only be valid if the conditions have not been changed in any way, other wise we are then studding how we have changed the fundamental phenomena and not the phenomena itself.

   Chris 

Idea1man posted this 24 July 2018

Chris   ...  Sounds like you have a complete understanding of the iron filings experiment.

Can you think of a way to make a magnetic field visible?

Chris posted this 29 July 2018

Hey Bob,

A way to completely eliminate the Magnetic Field interference is unlikely, most all of our detection equipment is in one way or another, either Magnetic, or Electric.

Only to minimise the effects, a good quality Magnetic Probe, Hall Effect probe, but even this will still have a small amount of interference.

Howard Johnston is the best Experiments I have seen.  PDF attached below.

   Chris

Attached Files

Idea1man posted this 01 August 2018

Iron filings, or iron powder, is irregular. This causes them to link together as induced magnets in a magnetic field. If the iron particles were perfect spheres, a very different arrangement is formed. David LaPoint's Primer Field videos shows steel spheres in a magnetic field. Mind you, the magnets are hemispheres, but the result is very different.

 

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Chris posted this 02 August 2018

Hey Bob, I agree, this is a good example.

   Chris

Idea1man posted this 11 August 2018

I'm watching Eric Dollard's History of Electricity video. At around 1:23:00, in the book image video, he explains that a magnetic field does have "lines", differences of intensity, or "fibrous", as he called it. He said if you connect a microphone, so you can hear something, as an object moves through a magnetic field, you can hear a noise, "scratching", at intervals.

Eric has an exacting, detailed knowledge of who, when, and what of the science.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Chris posted this 11 August 2018

Hi Bob,

The Inverse Square Law is a very important concept.

Regarding Flux Lines, if One Flux Line is not on enclosure to its opposing Pole, then where is it enclosed to? Where does it go? What happens to it?

The Long Solenoid problem shows that most all of the Flux Lines are not ever on enclosure on themselves. A seeming impossibility in today's scientific world! Yet some Physicists have now grown accustom to drawing the Long Solenoid with Magnetic Flux Lines only at the ends of the Solenoid:

 

 

@ 28 : 15 Walter lewin says, almost no Magnetic Field outside the Solenoid. nearly all of the magnetic Field is contained inside the Solenoid.

We all are welcome to our own opinions, and they are based on our own observations and beliefs. I am not attempting to change your mind or your belief, merely pointing out evidence to the contrary.

   Chris

 

 

 

Idea1man posted this 12 August 2018

Chris   .. I'm new to Dollard, and am not a follower of him. I'm only reporting what he says. I don't know if he's correct. His study of the history of electricity is impressive.

I haven't heard of this Lewin man.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Chris posted this 12 August 2018

Forgive me Bob, I was only sharing the concept.

I meant no disrespect to others!

   Chris

Marathonman posted this 12 August 2018

Mr Dollards explanations of  electricity and it's actions are by far the sanest so far that i have heard. also his explanation of the Sun seems to be spot on with present day sensor readings. to me the rest is just child's play seeking attention.

Idea1man;

Quote; 
"Also, look at all of the depictions of the Ionosphere. No measurements in science show the Ionosphere curving into the equator from both poles. If it did, there would be a death zone of radiation around both sides of the equator."

you have absolutely no way to confirm that it is or isn't and either do the loopy Scientist that have been caught lying repeatedly. the only reason we have radiation in the Ionosphere is because of our lousy Governments exploding nuclear bombs in our upper atmosphere and this has been proven. there is absolutely no evidence that radiation existed there before those nuclear tests. sure we get sunburned if we stay out side for to long without protection but it has nothing to do with the magnetic field surrounding our planet. what it does pertain to is our atmosphere is surrounded by water vapor, Oxygen and other elements that the Sun's waves collide with slowing them down to a usable form that supports life.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Vidura posted this 19 August 2018

Hi I just was watching this collection from Brian Kerr and wanted to share if someone is interested.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Marathonman posted this 19 August 2018

Something very interesting to note that if you take a bar magnet and put a piece of iron from pole to pole the magnetic loop is closed and the magnet will no longer pick up iron fillings as the magnetic flux is enclosed within the core.

it is only when the stress of an open loop is introduced when the magnetic poles will draw in the fillings to close the magnetic loop of the bar magnet.

Just some interesting facts of my research and observations.

Regards,

Marathonman

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Marathonman posted this 19 August 2018

I would also like some feed back on this device that has been bouncing  around my head. in the pick below you have two half round electromagnets or magnets that are opposing and rotated  either opposite direction or same direction. with the center bar in the middle with output coil on it is stationary.

the two magnet rotating will always repel one another but will be attracted to the center leg at the same time from the opposite pole and thus rotating will induce the center output coil outputting AC.

My question to everyone will the attractive force overcome the repelling force or will they be equal. ??? my thought is the attractive force from the two magnets will be slightly more than the repelling force of the two opposing poles.

Sorry for disrupting this thread but i didn't know where else to ask these questions and didn't want to start a new thread.

any thoughts welcome.

Regards,

Marathonman

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Idea1man posted this 19 August 2018

MM   ...  You're onto a great idea. I love the simpler ones. I think the simpler, the better. That deserves to be put into it's own Topic, as a generator device.

I'll need to meditate on that for a time. Of course, you know that if two same poles touch the opposite side of an iron plate, they will both stick to it. Seemingly, the repelling force would lessen as the two magnets get closer to the plate.

Initially, I would say if you rotate the two magnets in the same direction, you have no repelling force, only attracting coming in, and attracting leaving, which would then be a retarding force. Would those two forces be equal?

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Idea1man posted this 19 August 2018

MM's invention:

(1) Counter rotation, of the magnets, causes attraction, between the magnets, at the half-way point. That would be a sticking place. You would need to add a lot of force to overcome that on their journey to the bar again. So it would need only the same direction rotation.

(2) Rotating the two magnets, together, in the same direction, produces only attraction in the bar, coming and going, aiding and retarding. There is no repelling that changes, only fixed repelling between the two magnets, which doesn't affect the bar.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Marathonman posted this 19 August 2018

What if i shorten the center bar like the pic.

What then?????

Sorry for interrupting this thread.

Regards,

Marathonman

  • Liked by
  • Vidura
  • Chris
Marathonman posted this 19 August 2018

Quote from Chris;

" As Floyd Sweet said, this field is related to Gravity, it can not be shielded,"

As i have been saying from the readings of D. B. Larsen,  gravity is three dimensional and magnetism cancels out two of the three dimensions leaving one gravity dimension that can not be shielded and that is the motional Electric field. that is current flow from counter space into space.

Nothing can shield it.

Regards,

Marathonman

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Idea1man posted this 20 August 2018

MM, That looks like it would make the magnetic field weaker on the core bar.

I like your original thinking, of using something forgotten, a horseshoe magnet. You have a generator there, whether only one magnet, or two moved together. If you want that arrangement, use 10, or more, magnets. I don't think I've seen Neo horseshoe ones, tho.

 

What if i shorten the center bar like the pic.

What then?????

Sorry for interrupting this thread.

Regards,

Marathonman

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Marathonman posted this 20 August 2018

Because of the opposite pole at the other end you would be surprised just how much flux goes through the center bar.the iron will suck it up like a sponge.

Regards,

Marathonman

  • Liked by
  • Vidura
  • Chris
Vidura posted this 5 weeks ago

This is a interesting idea, I agree that it would deserve a own thread, and the simplicity is a good thing. Regarding the repellent or attracting forces in my experiments with the pulsmotor and generators I found that it is not an issue, as the inertia of the rotor easily overcomes this forces.Also we saw the increase of the induction with opposed like magnetic fields in the axial flux generator.The puzzling thing would be how the BMMF of the loaded secondary interacts with the rotating fields.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Vidura posted this 5 weeks ago

I would also like some feed back on this device that has been bouncing  around my head. in the pick below you have two half round electromagnets or magnets that are opposing and rotated  either opposite direction or same direction. with the center bar in the middle with output coil on it is stationary.

the two magnet rotating will always repel one another but will be attracted to the center leg at the same time from the opposite pole and thus rotating will induce the center output coil outputting AC.

My question to everyone will the attractive force overcome the repelling force or will they be equal. ??? my thought is the attractive force from the two magnets will be slightly more than the repelling force of the two opposing poles.

Sorry for disrupting this thread but i didn't know where else to ask these questions and didn't want to start a new thread.

any thoughts welcome.

Regards,

Marathonman

It occurs to me as a possible variant of such a device to use a rotor with an odd number of pairs of opposed repellent magnets all of the same polarity on each side in order to get a increasing and decreasing field on the secondary, in a manner where one end of the secondary would face the two magnets and the other end would be en between of two pairs, thus the field intensity would change when rotating without reversal of polarity. Regards Vidura.

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Marathonman posted this 5 weeks ago

The magnetic field would not travel all the way to the end with just one polarity so part of the secondary is without magnetic fields. the only way to do this is with different poles. remember the square of the distance when dealing with magnetic field of a single pole scenario.

regards,

Marathonman

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Idea1man posted this 3 weeks ago

Does anyone have information about running a current thru a magnet, and whether it would demagnetize the magnet?

  • Liked by
  • Chris
Marathonman posted this 3 weeks ago

Did you hear what Eric said in that video at the end. electrons are the rate in which energy is destroyed, ie the resistance.

imagine that.

Marathonman

  • Liked by
  • Chris
  • Aetherholic
Marathonman posted this 3 weeks ago

The domains in the magnet are locked into place being sintered when manufactured so the immediate answer would be no as heat is a magnets enemy but it will diminish the magnet over time.

since a magnet is an electrified object that has current circulating around it and when it is constantly interrupted from an outside source it will diminish faster over time than when left alone.

heat a magnet to hot and it dies as it interrupts the sintering of the domains and thus the interruption of the current flowing around it thus no magnetic field.

Regards,

Marathonman

  • Liked by
  • Aetherholic
Idea1man posted this 3 weeks ago

Thanks MM, for the electricity thru a magnet.

Who is Eric, which video?  

Marathonman posted this 3 weeks ago

The video Vasile posted on Eric Dollard 3/4 way through the video at 46:00 but the good stuff starts at 43:45 and from then on one might increase one knowledge of how things really work. Eric knows how things work as opposed to 90% of our bumbling Physicists that know nothing but regurgitated BS including Einstein and Hawkings.

another reason magnets fade is in the US the crooks add isotope 40 which will render magnets useless in a short time. this is the reason most builders with magnets buy them from China as the liars in the US say magnets don't last forever but in fact it is because of isotope 40 fooling everyone for greed of profit above all.

Regards,

Marathonman

  • Liked by
  • Aetherholic
Idea1man posted this 3 weeks ago

MM, that's really rare info about magnets. Isotope 40, is that potassium or calcium?

Marathonman posted this 3 weeks ago

That would be potassium-40, just a super small micro gram amount will render a large magnet useless in 5 to 7 years. i am not saying all of them do it but it is happening in the US.

The deceased Muller of the Muller magnet motor found this out thus had to order from China. his magnets were perfect after 11 years of service.

Things that make you go Hummmm, what else are we being lied to about.

PS. just ask yourself why is the Government the only one that has Holmium tipped magnets.????

they don't want the average research person getting a hold of Super strong magnets that make N52's look like toy magnets.

Regards,

Marathonman

  • Liked by
  • Vidura
  • Aetherholic
Idea1man posted this 3 weeks ago

MM  ..  That's mighty rare info about Holmium, and potassium in magnets.

Ref: =Holmium has unusual magnetic properties, including the highest magnetic moment (10.6 µB) of any naturally occurring element.=

It's expensive: ==Cost, pure: $860 per 100g== That's about 3 oz.

 

  • Liked by
  • Vidura
Marathonman posted this 3 weeks ago

What can i say, i research very odd things and do crazy tests because my inquiring mind has to know. i have mountains of useless information through my 15 years research.

some really make you go Hummmm, why is that???

Regards,

Marathonman

  • Liked by
  • Vidura
  • Aetherholic
Prometheus posted this 4 days ago

Electrets, like magnets, are dipoles. Another similarity is the radiant fields: They produce an electrostatic field (as opposed to a magnetic field) around their perimeter. When a magnet and an electret are near one another, a rather unusual phenomenon occurs: while stationary, neither has any effect on one another. However, when an electret is moved with respect to a magnetic pole, a force is felt which acts perpendicular to the magnetic field, pushing the electret along a path 90 degrees to the expected direction of 'push' as would be felt with another magnet.

Ahahaa... a couple more pieces of the puzzle just fell into place for me.

1) The above electret example is analogous to the frame-dependent torque effect used by the Searl device, and by my triboelectric charge-separation motor idea! In effect, both the Searl device and my triboelectric charge-separation motor are simulating an electret by generating (in the lab frame) an electrostatic field.

"a force is felt which acts perpendicular to the magnetic field"... a magnetic field inside, essentially, a permanent-magnet solenoid (a cylindrical magnet)? That imparts rotation.

2) Magnetic field lines attempt to minimize their length and maximize their distance from other field lines (hence the inverse square law). Inside a solenoid, the magnetic flux is more dense than outside, constrained by the solenoid boundary. Outside the solenoid, the areal flux density is thereby lower than inside. The solenoid gets around the inverse square law by constraining the magnetic flux inside it so it cannot spread out.

 

Prometheus posted this 4 days ago

In the unlikely event that anyone here wants help in deprogramming away from the Ken Wheeler cult, I can post more info.

I ran into the Jim Humble cult on their forum. I got banned for disagreeing with Jim. Even a chemist got banned for correcting their dose calculations.

Yes, I've had my disagreements with Ken Wheeler's theory, as well... most especially his notion of there being only one particle (the mass particle, which can change from 'neutron-form' to 'proton-form' and back seemingly without external impetus, changing size and mass by several orders of magnitude in the process)... later in his book he contradicts himself by stating that there are no particles, it's just fields within fields upon fields around fields, or somesuch; and his claim that the electron doesn't exist.

I read his book... and amazingly I actually understood it, despite his habit of redefining common definitions and verbosely word-looping through descriptions then calling that an explanation (while claiming that QM doesn't actually explain anything, it just describes it).

I found and addressed 30 errors in the first 10 pages of his book. He ran away from the thread and never addressed the issue. In fact, he ran away from the forum completely. Where others he would harangue and denigrate in his usual foul-mouthed fashion, my science-based evidence-corroborated refutations of his hobby theory he avoided.

I think I know why he avoided me, though... he's pilfered a great majority of his hobby theory from other hobby theories (Circlon Theory, Dollard Theory, etc.) and simply doesn't have a fundamental understanding of what he's pilfered. He tends to do that... and take credit for making discoveries that were made long before he was even alive, while denigrating those who actually made the discoveries.

 

Chris posted this 4 days ago

How about the personal attacks on Ken be deleted?

We do not wish to troll others, we have a strict No Trolls aloud Policy! So we cant be the Trolls!

Lets focus on Facts and moving forward!

   Chris

 

EDIT: I have deleted attacks and locked this thread! I don't agree with attacking others! This is not what this Thread is for!

  • Liked by
  • Vidura

Topic Is Locked

Close