Electricity from ionization

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alianse77 posted this 06 January 2018

At this time we have done a lot of research on how magnetic field can generate energy, but there are also another way to do it:

When charged particles flows beetwen electrodes, some of them get absorbed by magnet plates. Then electrical potential on electrodes grows up to kilovolts. And we can get huge portion of energy when discharging electrodes.

I'm planning build such device to use with fire, but this technology can be used to generate energy from atmosphere or even placed near star surface or quasar.

As for me, 24 or 12 Vdc output will be fine. How I can calculate power of the device when knowing approximately ionization rate?

Also what kind of dc/dc invertor should I use to convert 100-700vdc to 12/24vdc?

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Chris posted this 06 January 2018

Hello and welcome Alianse77!

This is correct! Charge is separated, in my original post, I have posted here: Charge Separation, as it was too long an do not wish to fill your thread.

Thanks for sharing!

   Chris

 

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Zanzal posted this 07 January 2018

Interesting idea, looks like something fun to experiment with. Are the metal plates the same metal? How do they acquire their charge exactly, or do you believe the magnets will cause this charge separation to occur? How will you keep your magnets from overheating and losing magnetism if your device is exposed to fire?

As for me, 24 or 12 Vdc output will be fine. How I can calculate power of the device when knowing approximately ionization rate?

Sorry, no idea. Are you sure this device actually works as you've drawn it? If you've already built a prototype to prove the concept then calculations would be a good next step for understanding scalability, but I'd start with a prototype first to prove the working principle. 

Also what kind of dc/dc invertor should I use to convert 100-700vdc to 12/24vdc?

This is not as complicated as it might sound. Unless the device is producing many watts of power, its maximum voltage potential is not so important. You see for potential in a device to build to 700V it first has to surpass 12 volts. What that means is if your device could build 700V of potential but in the off state you connect it to a massive capacitor bank it must first exceed the max voltage on the capacitor bank before there is an issue.

So then all you need to do is regulate the voltage to your capacitor bank and cut off the flow while the capacitor bank voltage is high. Now if your device can source many many watts of power, a simple DIY regulator might not do, but before you invest too much time into that you should first build a prototype to better understand what your device can do.

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Chris posted this 07 January 2018

A similar idea/process, is from Felix Ehrenhaft, the device JB presented sometime back:

 

 

 

Images from: https://electricitybook.com/magnetism/

Also a very good read.

 

   Chris

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Chris posted this 07 January 2018

Also works in reverse, a process I really enjoyed studding, Magneto Hydro Dynamics, 

 

 

   Chris

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Zanzal posted this 07 January 2018

A similar idea/process, is from Felix Ehrenhaft, the device JB presented sometime back:

If the iron must come into contact with the water for this to work then I think we have to consider the possibility that this is some sort of galvanic effect and not evidence of magnetic current (though definitely using magnets to achieve the charge separation). I only found one video on youtube about this but the experimenter didn't share any useful details.

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Satmedia posted this 07 January 2018

Thank u for sharing your idea. 

Here u can see an other mhd generator solution. 

https://de.slideshare.net/mobile/PraveenKumarKushwah/thermal-ionization-in-mhd-generator

 

The question is how to find a powerfull source?

 

Regards Roland 

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Chris posted this 07 January 2018

Hey Zanzal,

This is correct, a Conductive Path is necessary. A lot of this is also talked about by Ed Ledskalnin. His small book/pamphlet also talked about similar things as Felix Ehrenhaft has.

I have chosen to stay as close as possible to a scientific approach, and chosen to stay well away from making my own science up, like so many have before, simply because it makes it very hard for anyone to make any sense of and believe any of the claims made. No point reinventing the wheel.

Cold currents and all that stuff people talk about is made up science, all of which can be explained perfectly well by real science.

   Chris

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Chris posted this 07 January 2018

Hi Roland, thanks for sharing!

Tom Bearden shared a concept some time back, similar also:

 

From: http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/on_the_principles_of_permissible.htm

Careful study, there appears to be a few small problems with this diagram. The idea/concept is there. Me, personally, I have never had any real success with this as a "Generator" but as a Propulsion Force, its very cool!

   Chris

 

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alianse77 posted this 08 January 2018

Thanks everyone for sharing your ideas. I havent build real prototype yet, but I already realized that magnets needs very intensive cooling. As for power inverter I'm thinking of spark gap with step-down transformer.

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Zanzal posted this 08 January 2018

Thanks everyone for sharing your ideas. I havent build real prototype yet, but I already realized that magnets needs very intensive cooling. As for power inverter I'm thinking of spark gap with step-down transformer.

That would work fine. The drawback of spark gaps is that they can cause undesirable effects on nearby equipment, but like anything there are advantages and disadvantages.

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Marathonman posted this 15 January 2018

Lets not forget Nikola Tesla’s Ionised-Air Electrical Generator.

and yes you are correct that the devices need to be housed  to protect other equipment when using spark gap since it will give off radiation.

possibly you could use electromagnets using a refrigerator pump and coils to cool  them even with the spark gap to keep the electrodes cool.

Marathonman

 

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