Fringe look at a complete core input coil and impulse pressure waves

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FringeIdeas posted this 21 June 2024

Hey everyone,

So my experiments for the study of the A Vector Potential, Fringe look at the A Vector Potential and rotating magnetic fields, are on hold for a bit while I acquire a few things and build a coil winding rig. It's well planned, I just need some time to make it happen.

In the meantime, I thought I could look into a few other relevant ideas. The input coil arrangement, and impulse discharges like that of a spark gap. Both of these ideas come from this part of this thread here, where Chris shows the output coils combined with the push pull input and GDT (gas discharge tube), and asks about what would happen if he wound a 7 turn input coil on the outside of the POC coil arrangement. And I am assuming Chris you mean on the outside around both output coils at the same time.

Originally here: Chris's Non-Inductive Coil Experiment

Continued a bit here:  Partnered Output Coils

Wrapping the input coil around both output coils has been used before by many, for example Don Smith.

 

This is interesting to me because, to me, having the input coil wrapped around only one POC seems unbalanced. Though I could be wrong. And there seemed to be quite a fight against the input during the regauge period which I believe can be minimized by arranging the input coil differently. Again, I could be wrong. Experiments will help clarify this for me.

The impulse discharge input has been used by many. Tesla, Tariel Kapanadze, etc. The disruptive nature of it is interesting, and for example the harmonics involved. I can't help but think this would be a good way to regauge the system.

Ok, so this is what I have so far..

The coils each have 3 layers of 16 turns = 48 turns of 0.4 mm speaker wire (copper itself is about 3mm).

The core is an AMCC800B.

The input coil will be roughly 12 turns of the same wire, as I intend to put a bit of focus on ¼ wavelength, near field, all of that good stuff. It will be wrapped around the whole core, both coils at the same time, like in the Don Smith picture.

I'll mess around with only pulses and push pull input at first, and then move on the GDT and possibly even a real spark gap.

So we know that POC coils provide us a way to apply a steady pressure on the electrons, to get them free/moving and accelerate them, pumping current, while also giving us a way to collect that energy. Or rather we are creating a condition to have nature do this process for us, we just set it in motion and collect the output.

So if I'm not mistaken, the next step would be to figure out a way to really knock a lot of electrons loose so we can really get some good action going. High magnetic fields, maybe some sharp jabs to the electrons. Hopefully these experiments, alongside my A Vector Potential experiments, will lead to learning.

More coming soon, thanks!

Marcel

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FringeIdeas posted this 21 June 2024

Chris, I do have one quick question.

The POC coils have diodes. So only one direction of input is actually going to wind them up and get their currents moving. A magnetic field in the opposite direction will be just a waste I assume.

So are we only wanting the GDT or spark gap to fire on one part of the AC cycle?

For example, the cycle starts and positive swing is used to ramp up the tank circuit voltage, but not yet reaching that breakdown area of the GDT. And then the negative swing further ramps up the tank circuit, this time reaching the breakdown voltage. So the spark would only fire on the negative swing.

I'll admit, I'm not familiar enough with how this spark gap idea works.

Thank you!

Marcel

Gucio posted this 21 June 2024

Very interesting. I once played with a choke with a bifilar winding from an ATX power supply. The phase-connected windings cause the magnetic fields in the core to attract each other and stay locked in the core. I connected the windings in parallel in antiphase, which forced the magnetic field to radiate outside the core and powered the Bedini motor. A diagram of what it looks like is shown below.

This bifilar coil worked very well as a drive for the Bedini engine.

I have this Bedini engine, still waiting for development

I was very wondering where such a strong impulse comes from in such a bifilar coil.
My colleague raised a very interesting topic. Please keep up the great work.

 

Grzegorz

Chris posted this 21 June 2024

Chris, I do have one quick question.

The POC coils have diodes. So only one direction of input is actually going to wind them up and get their currents moving. A magnetic field in the opposite direction will be just a waste I assume.

So are we only wanting the GDT or spark gap to fire on one part of the AC cycle?

For example, the cycle starts and positive swing is used to ramp up the tank circuit voltage, but not yet reaching that breakdown area of the GDT. And then the negative swing further ramps up the tank circuit, this time reaching the breakdown voltage. So the spark would only fire on the negative swing.

I'll admit, I'm not familiar enough with how this spark gap idea works.

Thank you!

Marcel

 

Hey Marcel,

Typically one polarity works better than the other, yes.

Best Wishes,

   Chris

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