Ron's Melnichenko's Effect Replication

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ronee posted this 26 June 2022

I am waiting to see replications before going further and continuing to explain.

 

Will this qualify?

This is with a 12 volt battery, the bulbs are 25 watt 125 volt mot bulbs, secondary on left.

Ron

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Chris posted this 26 June 2022

Hello Ronee,

Well done, nice replication, however, your Secondary Voltage is a bit low from what I can see.

If you could post scope shots of your Input Power, no need for Output Power, we may be able to help further.

Perhaps Jagau can comment further on your replication when he gets time?

Best Wishes,

   Chris

P.S: A Solid Steel Core will have a lot higher Eddy Current Losses, a Laminated Core may give you a better result with a better efficiency.

Jagau posted this 26 June 2022

Hi Ronee
Welcome to the site I believe this is the first experience I see of you.
It's very good, like Chris said well done, your lamps are well lit,

As you know it's all a question of power at the input compared to the output.
When you have time, take your time, show me your voltage and current measurements, like i did on thread above.

As you can see there is nothing complicated and sorcery in this very simple circuit to do. Yet Andrey Melnichenko explains it extensively in all these videos and not many pay attention. Do you believe that he is right to give everything like that. This is what we will check here. The crowd is not huge but many watch without speaking, as usual.


Thank you for sharing.


Jagau

ronee posted this 27 June 2022

Hi Chris and Jagau,

I am on Vancouver Island and so it is late afternoon when the forum opens. I have been a member for many years.

The build that you see in the photo was my original and all ready I am mentally working on my next model, so it would not be meaningful to post the volts and amps for this one. Tomorrow I have undertaken to repair our daughter's car, the rear link bushing needs to be replaced, so will be busy until I can come up with the parts.

In my material testing I took a piece of steel tubing and a block of laminations, wrapped 10 turns around each and the result looked like this... first the steel tube (anywhere near the primary coil would crash the poor Qwon so the red trace is just a wire near the primary, the yellow trace's flat step is the trigger pulse, 50%)

and the laminations

Thanks for the welcome,

Ron

ronee posted this 29 June 2022

Jagau,

Here is the new primary coil with the old junk box secondary for a "change one thing at a time" approach.

 

The voltage input is 12.2 volts and the amps on a DMM are 1.24 amps.

Chris,

Here is the input amps on a ACS712

Ron

Chris posted this 29 June 2022

Hey Ronee,

Very Nice! You have very high Build Quality! Thanks for Sharing!

I was expecting to see a Reverse Current on the Input. I am not seeing any there at the moment. 

In the thread: The Input Coil we see that Current gets sent back to the DC Input, so the total Input is bought right down by a factor of magnitude, or more, to reduce the Input Power.

Here is an example:

 

Perhaps a nice UF Diode on your High Side Mosfet in the opposite Direction to assist with negative Currents or something similar?

Of course, Positive Voltage x Negative Current = Negative Power, so power does go back to a DC Source, in other words, a Non-Linear Load for the DC Source.

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Chris posted this 12 July 2022

Hey Ronee,

Any updates on Progress?

Best Wishes,

   Chris

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ronee posted this 12 July 2022

Thanks Chris,

I was being quiet because I had come to what I felt was the end of my Melnichenko experiment.

I was hoping Jagau would share a way forward?

What was embarrassing to me was my bulbs were not the same wattage and I had not noted that. Two identical bulbs showed a lesser output for the secondary.

I did try the three coil example with two gaped cores and two coils in the secondary but what I found is the secondary output is subtracted from the primary --- always no matter which model chosen.

So thank you for setting this up but I can't contribute anything of consequence at this time.

Ron

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