Melnichenko's Effect

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Jagau posted this 15 February 2022

Andrey Melnichenko is another great inventor and has several patents on the effect he found. On his Utube channel he made countless videos to demonstrate the effect he found.
Chris has made several demonstrations to allow everyone to better understand the different effects of Andrey Melnichenko's research and I would like to make it a study and continuity of his thread.
When doing various searches on the web it is very rare to find those who have managed to make a replica of its effect.
To study the phenomenon take the very simple diagram from the website of A. Melnichenko

This schematic has two coils L1 and L2 in mutual connection and as can be noted the same phase polarity (dot). To understand what is happening in the coils, an analysis of the polarities is necessary.
As Melnichenko himself explains there are two phases to take into consideration, the 1st magnetization and the 2nd demagnetization.
1 When magnetizing, T1 closes and L1 becomes negative on the bottom and positive on the top with the same phase polarities on L2. D1 and D2 being in reverse polarity then X1 and X2 do not light up.

 


2 During demagnetization, T1 opens causing L1 and L2 to reverse polarity as shown in the following diagram:



Since D1 and D2 are now forward biased then both diodes conduct so that X1 and X2 turn on.

Practical experience will follow to demonstrate if this is indeed what is happening.

Jagau

 

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baerndorfer posted this 01 September 2022

this is how it looks - 2 e-cores like A.Melnichenko uses. in my build i use POC-coils as output coils because for me it makes perfectly sense.

when you got the right frequency you will see how the output is pumped (CH4 - this is where the load is connected). my input is from halfbridge topology (CH2). CH1 is my primary which is in series resonance with capacitor. CH3 is one leg from POC output coil.

regards!

Chris posted this 01 September 2022

Jagau, Baerndorfer,

You guy's Rock! You're awesome!

@All Readers trying to catch Up, look for Key Words and focus your Attention on the Key Words and what's actually being said in this Thread! Baerndorfer is correct, once one has a slight understanding, it makes perfect sense!

Jagau is also 100% Correct, but if I may add, its about Separating Charge and Accelerating Charge in an Asymmetrical fashion, at no cost on your Input side, this we have done!

All Electromagnetic Machines are Symmetrical Today! A Transformer, its Symmetrical! An Electric "Generator", its also Symmetrical! This means all Output, you must Input, in the form of, Mechanical Force or Torque, on a "Generator's" Input, which is Equal to what you get on the Output, Electrically, minus Losses! That's why Science tries to terribly explain Mechanical Force is Transformed to Electrical Force, or E.M.F. The WORST and possibly MOST INCORRECT Statement Science has ever made! In the case of a Transformer, the Force is M.M.F, which Negatively effects your input, and as a result your Input Current goes up as you add more load to the Output through Impedance on the Coils being Reduced! This means, always there will be a relationship of: Output = Input minus Losses! Always a Below Unity Machine! Never Above Unity!

We have introduced Asymmetrical Electromagnetic Induction, where all Force in the Machine does not ever Negatively effect your Input, so the Symmetrical Equation: Output = Input minus Losses does not apply here! We do have Symmetrical Forces, in the Form of M.M.F, Magnetomotive Force, between the two Output Coils, Partnered Output Coils! But we also have an Asymmetrical Component consisting of the Input Coil! WOW, how revolutionary is this you say! Its so simple you just cant wrap your head around it until you do some simple cheap experiments! As you see how this works, it makes more sense! You can clearly see that the Magnetic Force Component is NOT Conserved as the Electric Component is! The Magnetic Field can be entirely Asymmetrical, meaning you can have Three Magnetic Fields in a single Machine, and each can have a varying Coupling Coefficient k, associated with it independently of the other. Each Magnetic Field: Act, React and Counter-React with Each Other in a Positive way, actually Reducing your Input!

It is the Change in Magnetic Field that makes these machines possible: ΔΦB / Δt, and Lenz's Law, the E.M.F will be Negative, which is Floyd Sweets Equation: E = ( B x V ) + ( -B x -V ) = 2 B x V

We are building Asymmetrical Charge Pumps!

Aboveunity.com Members have shown you, as I have, we are all showing you, how this works. It takes time to learn these things. So we have had to go slow!

I have spent many millions of hours doing this, and many here have also done the same! All so Humanity can Live Better, Freer, and we can Evolve past this Slavery we have been bound to for so long! Knowledge is Power, and Freedom!!!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Jagau posted this 05 September 2022

 

Hi all

For those who want to understand it, even Bill Alek EE in Magnetic Flux Transformer patent US9620280B2, does the same calculation as me when calculating the average power in an inductor Pavg = almost 0 watt with some very minimal losses.

An inductor does not consume a watt same for capacitor.


The energy (joule) stored in an inductor momentarily can be calculated, the voltage (V) BEMF as well as the current (I) peak.
 But at no time the power in watt, because it is almost entirely returned to the source or as in Melnichenko it is used to light the first lamp, then it becomes the consumption of this first lamp which otherwise would have been returned to the source.

The meters measure the positive energy supplied to the source only.

Jagau

Chris posted this 11 July 2022

My Friends,

Jagau is Correct, and, Schooling the Guru's Again! Thank You Jagau!

A MUCH better result from Itsu:

Ref: Itsu's A Melnichenko effect replication

 

I would strongly recommend increasing the size of the inner core, by at least three times, and use a much bigger gauge wire to reduce the Coils Impedance. This will allow a greater Power Output on this Coil.

Jagau may want to share more on the optimum output gain for the Secondary Coil? We have a method of calculating the optimum Coil Length / Inductance.

For Itsu:

Continuing the search.......

For Chris:   

?t=312

 

Your Input is NOT AC Itsu!

RMS is Not Correct for DC Measurements on the Input! Sorry the Video you shared does very clearly show that RMS is ONLY Accurate for AC Sinusoidal Source Waveforms! I urge you to do some very simple Math that can very easily prove this simple fact. Please see our: Measurements Thread!

It is NOT correct to use RMS on a DC Source, period. Sorry, but this basic fact must be realised by any Serious Researcher. A Non-Linear Load can also prove this fact, and give the greatest margin of Error from a DC Source. I would put this to Verpies, he is the only one over there that can verify this simple fact. 😉The others just don't have the expertise! See Here for a little extra information.

A DC Source designed for Conventional Current:

Conventional current flows from the positive pole (terminal) to the negative pole. Electrons flow from negative to positive. In a direct current (DC) circuit, current flows in one direction only, and one pole is always negative and the other pole is always positive.

 

Is physically unable to supply Negative Currents, and in this Case, RMS is all inclusive of Negative Currents, adding them to the Input:

 

Including the Red part of the above Image as Input Power, when it is NOT! Its Negative Power!

 

Power Flow in a Four Quadrant Argand Diagram

 

RMS Math:

 

Instantaneous Readings:

  • 1 Volt x -1 Amp = -1 Watt
  • √((1 Volt x -1 Amp)2 / 1) = 1 Watt = INCORRECT !!!

 

Again, please do the Math, this will prove it to you and show the voices that are in your ear, to be completely WRONG AGAIN !!!

Of course, a DC Power Source is Incapable of Supplying Negative Conventional Current when it is designed to Supply a Positive Conventional Current!

 

EG:

  • 1.28 Watts RMS
  • 0.0957 Watt's Average

 

Isn't it? Well? Honestly... Does anyone not see a problem with the guru's stupidity? Can a DC Source Supply the Reverse Current? No! Its then an AC Source isn't it !!!

Please Itsu, do your own Homework, careful who you listen to!

Schooling the Gurus again, we are!

 

Load Impedance is important, we have said this for quite some time now, and yet LED's are not the best load. Don't use CFL's:

LED bulbs refer to artificial lighting devices that use tiny solid-state semiconductors to produce light. On the other hand, CFL bulbs connote the lighting device that uses electrical discharge to induce the gases present in the tube, that releases UV light, that affects the phosphor to produce bright visible light.

 

I am pleased to see Itsu's effort, and the humble approach now adopted, Thank You Itsu!!!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

P.S: I see some Trolls joining the party over there... Maybe they might learn something, one never knows with Trolls!

Some of the dumbest things are said by the dumbest people sometimes! 🤡Shame!

Jagau posted this 23 August 2022

Thank you for your great post Aetherholic. I see that some have understood that integral calculus is important in our steady-state circuit input measurements as described so well by Atherholic.
We now have 2 ways to measure ourselves and be sure of our measurements.

Now to advance even further in power electronics input measurements, I am attaching a video from EVblog
which explains in detail the integration function that only the most advanced oscilloscopes have.

You will notice that this function is used to measure the consumption at the input of its microcontroller, the way it does this is by the integration function which calculates the peak to peak voltage of the integral of the curve. 

We are talking here about a voltage related to time called Time domain value. 

That is why there is fortunately another way to calculate it accurately with the formulas that I and Aetherholic have provided to you.

 

 


Jagau

baerndorfer posted this 28 August 2022

the area under the curve represents the amount of magnetic flux which is actually present. 

the guy in the video from university did not mention, that energy is stored inside the coil. maybe he thinks all of the audience knows that but i'm sure most of them did not.

it is also funny, that if someone wants to step voltage down from 24V to 12V the ON-time from halfbridge has to be 33%  -  does this sound logic?  we can produce voltage for nothing they told us...    why is it not linear? 😎

have a nice day!

 

 

scalarpotential posted this 07 September 2022

Jagau, this patent you're sharing is gold! Many thanks.
It closely explains how Chris' system is working, and what he has been telling all along but in less technical terminology. Phase-conjugate :

In operation, the system causes the split-flux transformer (SFT) to function as a pumped phase conjugate mirror (PPCM), which transforms conjugated electromagnetic (EM) energy to real EM energy. Very high transformer efficiencies have been realized with this technology. The PPCM occurs by splitting the flux equally between the two transformer cores. The two cores include secondary output coils wrapped around each core and wired in Such a way that the resulting magnetomotive forces oppose one another. This is a special bifilar output coil configuration, which has a benefit of greatly lowering the output impedance of the coils. The output coils may be wired in series or in parallel In addition to lowering the output impedance of the coils, little power is reflected back to the primary due to the mutual coupling of the coils. Therefore, power delivered to the primary coil is highly conserved and not wasted on impedance. Nuclear non-recoil action emits both real EM wave and its phase-conjugated replica EM wave. While the real EM wave is a time-forward wave, its phase-conjugated replica wave is time-reversed. The phase-conjugated time-reversed wave is present everywhere in the universe as negative energy and is utilized and transformed by the PPCM as real EM energy.

I think POWER FROM MAGNETISM HAROLD ASPDEN on hyiq may help to improve understanding of the Melnichenko setup. At the surface it's a dual flyback, the trick must lie in the gap and material (I may be wrong).

Jagau posted this 02 July 2022

Hi all
It is always easier to understand how a system works by comparing it to examples of other known systems. In the case of the Melnichenko effect, I do not claim to have full mastery of the system but I will explain how I understand it.
Like many other functional existing systems everything is based on the big question:
How to circumvent the famous law of Lenz?
Whether it's the Adams engine or the latest Holcomb System, circumventing Lenz's law results in overunity. Electric iron or a high permeability material allows these systems to achieve this goal.


Quote from Dr. Robert Adams, the inventor of the well-known motor/generator:


One would expect the magnetic polarity reversal to be instantaneous in a rotating machine between the rotor magnet and the stator. However, this is not the case. I recently discovered that the inversion is exponential in the transition from one polarity to the other. When this happens, the magnetic radiation from the rotor pole(s) doubles without an external power supply. As a result of this attempt, I had meanwhile made an important discovery regarding magnetic polarity reversal, in that it was not necessary for the machine to be in motion or to apply external energy for it causes the reversal of magnetic polarity.

 

In the Adams generator, the rotating edge of the magnets and a synchronization at a very precise geometric angle produces this effect, in the Melnichenko effect the pulsed magnetic field of the coil L1 and with the rapid passage from one polarity to another produces a doubling of the magnetic radiation on the magnetic core of L2. As L2 is around this core it produces a doubling of magnetic radiation, as Dr. Adams said.

When degaussing L1 and modifying the flyback as in the drawing, this produces a BEMF at the closure of the pulse on the IGBT which is almost fully recovered in lamp no 1 minus the losses, that is why the consumption of the power source does not change.
 

In L2 when the current phases are well adjusted, this is the most difficult part, the L2 lamps light free without constraint of Lenz's law. Remember that the polarization by a magnetic field of a magnetic core has no resistance, is free and produces a doubling of radiation because the magnetic field of L1 is always there and has no constraint on L2 and as said if well Andrey is in no way magnetically bound to L1.

Quote from Andrey Melnichenko:
For the generation, a weak mutual polarization of the ferromagnetic cores through the gaps is also used in addition to the magnetic field of the magnetizing coil. In the axial position, it is optimal to insert two relatively long cores into the coil with their ends and bring out the main magnetic vortices from the ferromagnet,
when the induction of the magnetic field drops to zero or results in a partial reversal of the polarity of the magnetic field if the power source has a small current pulse polarity reversal or is supplied with alternating current with a component of constant current. Reversing the polarity of the magnetic field greatly reduces the transient process and the current decay time. This gives both a sharper induction decay front and an increase in EMF in the winding on a ferromagnet, which reduces source cost.

 

Do you remember this?

This is how I understand the Melnichenko effect.

 

P.S.

I forgot to tell you with the A.U members calculator you have what number of turns your L2 will have for maximum efficiency

that you coould find here:

https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/proof-of-coil-interactions-following-antenna-theory/


Jagau

Chris posted this 02 July 2022

Hey Jagau and all Readers,

Another excellent Post Jagau! Thank You!

Your statement:

How to circumvent the famous law of Lenz?

 

It is exactly correct and a very important fact for any Serious Researcher to Focus on! I mean, this IS the Ultimate Goal!

If I may, I see an avenue where confusion could set in for other Readers, so if you wouldn't mind me making a small point here?

First, I want to point out a passage from Floyd Sweet:

If the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an apparently steady E-field will be created. The energy density of the fields remain as calculated above, but the value of the E-field will double from E/2 to E.

 

I think its important to address what it is we are talking about when we see any Value of something double, or more, in Amplitude.

Of course, we are looking for a total Gain in Electric Power, over and Above, the Input Power. Therefore the arrangement we are focusing our attention on, must allow for a "Generational" aspect greater than the Input Power is essentially capable of by its self.

My opinion is, as the saying goes, a Picture is worth a thousand words:

Ref: Andrey Melnichenko - Transgeneratsiya electromagnetic field energy

 

If one is to evaluate the Vector Directions of each Field Individually, then one will see that a Superposition does occur, meaning there are some Vectors that Sum to Zero, for example: 1 + -1 = 0

Of course, the Vector Equation: 1 + -1 = 0 is Conventional Electromagnetic Induction, a frivolous approach to an almost 200 year old technology on Science's part!

There is more!

Asymmetrical Electromagnetic Induction is seen right there! This Vector Equation becomes: 1 + -1 + 1 = 1, of seen in Melnichenko's form: H1 + H2 + H3 = H3.

The Magnetic Field does not change Polarity, as in this case, a DC Source is the Supply, the Magnetic Field only changes in Amplitude, of Intensity, as the Magnetic Field Grows and Decays. So there is no AC, or Alternating Current seen, per se, its a DC Current Source for the most part, but the Primary Voltage Polarity flips between Mosfet TOn and TOff. So there is confusion seen amongst Researchers that have not yet put the work in!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

 

Edit:

P.S.

I forgot to tell you with the A.U members calculator you have what number of turns your L2 will have for maximum efficiency

that you coould find here:

https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/proof-of-coil-interactions-following-antenna-theory/

 

Hey Jagau, that thread is not currently Tier I, so some members will not be able to see it.

Do you think we could discuss allowing it to become public domain? I want to be sure we are ready to share more with the general public.

Chris posted this 07 July 2022

My Friends,

Ironically, OverUnityResearch.com Member Itsu, several weeks after turning down an Invite, is now doing a replication of Jagau's work, Here!

My present replication of this basic circuit looks like this:





With this as diagram:




Some data on the used circuit:

L1 primary air core 80 turns: 726uH
L2 secondary 2x 144 turns ferrite cores separated by 1.5mm gap: 4mH    (this L2 is not yet in use in the present basic circuit!!).

When inserting L2 into L1 in the next step, the L1 inductance raises to 850uH.
When shorting this inserted L2, the L1 induction drops to 710uH.
But again, this L2 is now not in use!

FG running 1.4KHz @ 9% duty cycle (adjust to get ~120V across Lamp1)
Lamp1 120V / 4W

Initial power measurements shows for:

input power:   4.57W, see screenshot 1    (yellow: voltage, blue: current through csr and red calculated power)
IGBT power:   4.63W, see screenshot 2    (yellow: voltage, green: current and red calculated power)
Lamp1 power: 4.66W, see screenshot 3    (yellow / blue voltage (differential) , green: current through lamp1 and red calculated power)







As can be seen in the screenshots, the measured signals get more and more erratic and accurate power measurements gets harder to make.
I had to use the differential probing technique and advanced math function to measure the Lamp1 power due to its floating state.

It also shows that in this basic setup, almost all input power is being consumed by the Lamp1

Next step i guess would be to insert L2 into L1 and attach a load to L2 to see if this load (lamp2) can be lit for free (so without any
influence on the input power and Lamp1 power.

Side note 1: AboveUnity.com is often offline for some periods, so you might get some time outs.
Side note 2: the input DDM's (and PS meters) show lightly less current (thus power when calculated) as compared to the scope probaly due to the current AC component
in the signal.


Regards Itsu

 

NOTE: In the above image, you can see Itsu does have a Negative Power Component, pointed out in our thread: The Input Coil, which is Positive Voltage x Negative Current = Negative Power!

A Major Error seen, is the use of RMS Power Values! You can NOT use RMS Power Values on the DC Input Power, see our: Measurement Thread for an explanation!

Schooling the Gurus again, we are!

I have said it before, Itsu is a good Builder! He does good work! If Itsu was able to see through his projects and gain a greater understanding, he could be very successful!

I wish Itsu Luck, I truly hope he is able to see this Experiment through to the Knowledge required, However, I see a very important issue, that we here at AboveUnity.com have warned about before, do you see them? Digital Multimeter's? Yes? Don't use them! They are not accurate!

Also an Interesting observation:

AboveUnity.com is often offline for some periods

 

Yes, I have covered this, many times, its the Infrastructure I have had to put in to get up and running. We have limited Services, and also many cyber attacks against us, trying to take us down! 

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Chris posted this 22 July 2022

@Jagau - Should we let the cat out of the bag?

 

@Itsu, work with this in mind:

  • Voltage is "Generated", via Charge Separation.
  • Current is Pumped. via M.M.F Opposition.

 

 

Making a few Coils do More Work in the System is very easy when one realizes that one can manipulate the Magnetic Field to do the Generation for you...

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Jagau posted this 03 August 2022

Hi Chris

Itsu's works are going very well here, he makes a lot of effort to get a good result and I respect his ideas, he does various tests and several kinds of experiments like the last one with a linear load at the nput.

This is how we advance by experimenting.
The most important recommendation is taking measurements, input versus output.

I'm pretty sure many have tried the Melnichenko effect but don't understand how to take and interpret their measurements and they may have been successful without knowing it.

I confess that I would like to see as many efforts of the members here. Many read here and don't share anything.
Jagau

Aetherholic posted this 23 August 2022

Here is my input calculation in Joules together with a corresponding Flyback calculation that Jagu just posted. So now you have two ways for calculating the power from different measurements.

Input Power Calculation

This was done in SMath Solver which I like because it verifies the units so its a great check for calculations. Smath Solver is freely downloadable.

 

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Chris posted this 27 August 2022

My Friends,

Congratulations to Itsu for achieving some success:

Ref: A Melnichenko effect replication

 

I think Jagau's Guidance and Patience is to be commended! Truly a Genuine and Humble Human Being!

Itsu now needs to figure out how to extend the Demagnetisation Phase:

Ref: A Melnichenko effect replication

 

And in comparison to the Magnetisation Phase:

Ref: A Melnichenko effect replication

 

My Friends, focus on the Area Under the Green Current Trace:

 

Is there More Current on the Demagnetisation Phase or the Magnetisation Phase? Its Asymmetrical Right?

 

Please Note: This set of scope shots do not show AU, we have no conclusive evidence Itsu has yet achieved AU yet! More work is needed! At least Itsu now has a Waveform that should be represented!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

scalarpotential posted this 30 August 2022

the area under the curve represents the amount of magnetic flux which is actually present. 

the guy in the video from university did not mention, that energy is stored inside the coil. maybe he thinks all of the audience knows that but i'm sure most of them did not.

it is also funny, that if someone wants to step voltage down from 24V to 12V the ON-time from halfbridge has to be 33%  -  does this sound logic?  we can produce voltage for nothing they told us...    why is it not linear? 😎

have a nice day!

 

 

Hi, the area under the voltage curve is volt-second and is equal to ΔΦ, the total flux, like you said. 33% duty cycle for half voltage is logical: during 33% the coil is charged, magnetized with 24v, during twice that time it i demagnetized with 12v (or actually -12v) at steady state. 

current steepness=V/L=di/dt, higher voltage over L, steeper current ramp. .

 

Jagau posted this 06 September 2022

If we take a good look at the output configuration of Alek's SFT you will notice that the two output coils are in partnership configuration.
Look in the yellow circle.

What Chris always said.  Although others don't speak highly of his measurements, I find them to be correct. It's because he's a little ahead of the others and they have trouble understanding what he's saying, so they try to contradict him.

 


Jagau

Jagau posted this 08 September 2022

In his Y.T  video

you will find the recommendations and frequencies of Melnichenko, look in the red square.

 

jagau

Chris posted this 09 June 2022

My Friends,

СВОБОДНАЯ ГЕНЕРАЦИЯ Андрей Мельниченко translates to: FREE GENERATION Andrey Melnichenko

Andrey Melnichenko's YouTube Channel is: www.youtube.com / channel/UCEtqI2EhN32Mvq7Wp5G9Vpg/videos

 

If you want to Create Your Own Thread and share your experiments on this topic, please feel free.

What is shown here, it is a very small part of a MUCH BIGGER Picture!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Jagau posted this 20 June 2022

I've been very busy these last few days, I couldn't wait to go back to my experiences.

So I made myself a little gift, sometimes you have to have a little fun according to your budget, with a very special purchase, a TEK P5021 current probe. It's not the latest model but it works very well with my scope.

So still great experiences made and shared.


Jagau

Chris posted this 02 July 2022

Hey Jagau,

Can you add any more information to my last post? More the merrier I guess.

For others watching and reading, we have done experiments where we can see a very large amount of Power Coming back to the Input:

 

This is on the Input Measurement Block: -1.63 Kilowatts!  Of Negative Power, not Positive Power, Power in the Spike going back to the Power Supply!

 

 

For the moment, I am not going to show where this is from, or discuss it further, as I already know what's possible, and seen this sort of thing for a very long time! I share this, because it will be of assistance to other researchers!

Other forums just do not ever discuss such things, because they cant understand it!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Jagau posted this 11 July 2022

In most of our experiments taking measurements is the most important and at the same time the most difficult thing to do, especially since we use different waveforms. Don't get confused with pure DC and sine wave voltage, the way of calculating them is very different and moreover in my case at the input I have to take into account the duty cycle of the pulse

The voltage efficiency (average voltage) applies to a battery or DC voltage which is constant and does not vary over time,

this is what I am using in this Melnichenko experiment at input.


At the input we only have DC max volt or max amplitude pulsed. At the output we calculate it in RMS because we have a rectified sinusoidal output

and as you know RMS is the DC equivalent used for a sinusoidal curve wich varies over time.

Below you will find valuable help on which formula to use and in which case of the waveform,

The one that is of our interest is the PULSE WAVE

 

Jagau

Jagau posted this 13 July 2022

Taking measurements in our ongoing experiments is as important as the experiment itself.


I have no objection to everyone contributing in the way of taking measures that will have a certain value. However, we must do it with a certain order and respect for others because we are all here to learn and we do not all have the same skill to experience.

That being said I congratulate here on this forum and all those who experiment on the Melnichenko effect as well as Itsu who is a member of another forum and who also makes great efforts to achieve this experiment. If other forums want to experiment and well by my humble little thread on the Melnichenko effect, I will be delighted and the whole community of researchers will make sure that we succeed together.

It seems misunderstood that when we are in the presence of different waveforms the way of calculation is different , in our case here i will explain how take measurements in the presence of a pulsed voltage from 0 to Vmax.

It will be the subject of the following post


Jagau

Chris posted this 13 July 2022

Hey Jagau,

You're a noble, honorable, and very skilled Member! Thank You for all your Efforts! Its a pleasure to have you here with us!

It is a shame, that none of the so called experts, came to Itsu's aid! - What happened there?

FYI: 2015 Do NOT use RMS:

which generates an instantaneous power waveform, then take the _average_  (not RMS) value of that IP waveform.

Ref: Accurate Measurements on pulsed system's harder than you think.

Interesting read, observe Names and Recommendations for more insight!

 

I am sure the non-public thread over at the other forum is filled with panic and desperation right about now... What are they Cooking up now I wonder?

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Chris posted this 04 August 2022

My Friends,

Jagau is correct, some Coils work better than others! Largely this is due to the Coils Geometry!

However, If I may,

I would suggest Itsu stay with his current coils only checking the VOut individually on each Coil at TOFF on the Mosfet. Comparing VOut in a Single Scope Shot. Making sure the Scope Triggering is set to L1 only so we can see the Timing.

Then I would like to see a scope shot of L1 and L2's Currents, making sure the Phase is correct and the method defined, e.g: Conventional Current or Electron Current. Of course, this is to inspect the function of L1 and L2's Opposing Magnetic Fields, a Very Well Known Requirement as we all know!

Itsu needs to find the Resonant Frequency of the Coils individually, but in the current configuration! We need to know the range in which we are working in and compare to current frequencies!

Itsu last stated:

FG:1.5KHz @ 10% duty cycle

 

So, lets see where Resonance lays and compare. Don't forget, Reducing the Duty Cycle is like a Change in Frequency you could almost say. Coils behave according to Antenna Theory, so the fundamental Resonances are Important!

Region of Interest:

ROI ≅ L1 Resonance + L2 Resonance / 2.

 

Lastly, if Itsu can confirm the Turns on L2 vs L1, as L2 needs to be more turns, and we can go into this later on.

Some advice, stay on track! Look at the Effects First, then the Measurements! I expect you should have seen one or two anomalies on the scope about now! I guess if you're not looking?

Itsu, look for this:

 

 Your 10% should be the Regauge Period! Look for this and work on this, this is Asymmetrical Regauging and once done right, you will see a whole new world open up for you! Your Input will be Insignificant compared to the Output! You know you have something when you gain this operation! Which is really easy!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

P.S: All this has been covered here for many years now 😉

Chris posted this 10 August 2022

Gyula,

thanks for the extensive point by point analysis, this is a skill i lack still and very useful.


Like Chris, i would like to see some different kind of signals coming out of this circuit (less input and more output preferable), but the scope does not lie and presents these conventional signals belonging
to this conventional fly back circuit.

I can not magically change those signals to something more promising, it is what it is.

I tried both the original Melnichenko circuit and the modified by Jagau circuit with several coils and cores, but they all stay within the conventional 70 to 90% efficiency range.


I still have some modifications pending on the L1 and L2 coil / core, presented by Jagau, so we will see if it will change much.

Regards Kees 

Ref: A Melnichenko effect replication

 

Hello Itsu,

You need to think Simply about this and NOT complicate these very simple things that entry level Electrical Engineers have mastered: Standard Buck Boost Converter

 

Waveform:

 

Any Alternating Current there? Or is it Purely a DC System? Hmm Trolls everywhere! 

Which is as we have shown!

Yes, this image of the current is very important and

I confirm that I also find it in the Melnichenko thread effect.


Jagau

Ref: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

 

 

As Tariel Kapanadze said, pointed out here, Andrey Melnichenko was on the right track:

Ref: Current and Voltage Amplification key to Energy Machines

 

Very Simply, follow what we have given you! There is nothing hard, complex, or difficult to any of this!

Only Trolls try to over complicate simple things! They Lie, Cheat, Steal and make a concerted effort to confuse others! That's their job! Stupid people with big mouths and very very low IQ's also qualify BTW!

That's why we are Light Years Ahead! We have eliminated all Trolls! We have made massive progress because we are a Troll Free Zone!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

P.S: A Well Designed Buck Boost Implementation can be around 99% Efficient! So how do we push this Dogmatic Boundary? The Answer is right in front of everyone's face! Plain, Simple, Straightforward! Cheap and Easy! Aboveunity.com has given it to you!

Aetherholic posted this 11 August 2022

My first post in a long time.

COP = 20 in a different but not too far removed configuration. And no im not going to post it, just to ratify the effect is real. (measurements verified by scientific report) and loopback self running. Trust in Jagu and Chris and all the information Chris has provided. 2000% the truth.

 

PS:

Put black tape over your psu meters. Use an integrating power meter with high sampling rate rate for the input power. Alternatively, use oscilloscope and use the calculation I will post in a separate thread tomorrow which is a simple verified equivalent.  OU is being hidden in measurement errors.

 

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Chris posted this 11 August 2022

My Friends,

And there you have it... Troll Strike Thwarted AGAIN! 😎

My Friends, here on this Forum, are Successful and have given EVERYTHING you need to succeed! Aetherholic was kind enough to verify this, and give you all Excellent Advice!

COP = 20 in a different but not too far removed configuration. And no im not going to post it, just to ratify the effect is real. (measurements verified by scientific report) and loopback self running. Trust in Jagu and Chris and all the information Chris has provided. 2000% the truth.

 

PS:

Put black tape over your psu meters. Use an integrating power meter with high sampling rate rate for the input power. Alternatively, use oscilloscope and use the calculation I will post in a separate thread tomorrow which is a simple verified equivalent.  OU is being hidden in measurement errors.

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

 

Thank You Aetherholic!

I want to say a massive Thank You to Jagau!

Jagau is a First Class Human Being! I am proud to call My Friend, as is Aetherholic and all here! We ONLY Ban Trouble Makers!

The TRUTH is Right here and its Easy and Cheap, you only need implement it as we have!

 

Here in Australia, we have a Term: Numb Nuts, seems this fits well in this situation where the Stupidity we have seen from some people, just threw Gasoline, onto the already Burning Trolls, we set Fire To! Oh dear, how sad, never mind! These people are very very low IQ Buffoons!!!

 

Stupendously Stupid People always say and do Stupid Things! There is no helping these people! They cant help themselves!

To Be Clear: Itsu does not fit these categories! I am not talking about Itsu! Itsu could do so much better if he removed the Noise from his Ears and more closely followed instruction! I am not sure he wants to however? Itsu should have been able to manage a: Standard Buck Boost Converter don't you think?

 

It is true, some have no idea about Energy Machines and they choose to stay Blatantly Ignorant on these same machines, all while pretending to have special interest in them! That's why they have many decades of Continued Failure! A Constructed Failure, like a Movie would have a Plot to Fail! Its called Paltering, pdf attached.

We are Light Years Ahead! This Thread and many more here, are Proof!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

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thaelin posted this 16 August 2022

@Jagau

   Ok, this seems something simple even I can do. I have on hand 2 rolls of standard lamp cord. This is easy to strip down into a single wire but is stranded inside. Will this work for the coils?  I have some 1/2" cold roll rod that can be used for cores. Past orders for ferrite came broken to pieces. 

  If I am going to do this, I want to know all the right things up front. Me and POC coils had a real adventure. Seems I did it right but never could see the wave form Chris shows. Did fair but not good. Power supply is a Rigol 0 to 30 @ 5 amps and can limit current draw with it. Many sig gens around at the moment. Even have an arbitrary wave generator as well. 

  So give me a heads up if this will fit the needs for this. I do want the crew here to know I am experimenting in the background but mostly silent. I usually feel as if I have nothing worth while to say. Even was told once to go back and study electronics 101. That was an insult far as I am concerned.

thay

 

Chris posted this 16 August 2022

Hi Thay,

Re:

Me and POC coils had a real adventure. Seems I did it right but never could see the wave form Chris shows.

 

Its really really easy to see a Triangle Waveform! Its the Natural Waveform for Lenz's Law.

I was showing this waveform in the thread: Some Coils Buck and some Coils DONT where I showed the difference in Waveforms and how the winding of a Coil does make a difference to a machines operation:

Ref: Some Coils Buck and some Coils DONT

 

Lenz's Law is by Default, a Sawtooth Waveform and this is about as easy as Breathing, to show implicitly on the bench! The Buck Boost Circuit shows this simple operation every day of the week, its a very basic, beginner level circuit that any one can manage with no trouble at all!

The trail of Bread Crumbs shows us:

 

There are some that will show you a Rock and tell you its a Diamond, these people can not be trusted!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Jagau posted this 17 August 2022

Hi Thaelin
We are all equal here Thaelin, we experiment and do it at our own pace, no one is rushing us and as I said before you are under no obligation to anyone and the same for me.

For the Melnichenko effect that you have seems satisfactory and for the ferrites they can be replaced by iron in small insulated plates as mentioned by Melnichenko.
Good experiences

Jagau

Jagau posted this 22 August 2022

Hi all


As Aetherholic said:


Put black tape over your psu meters. OU is being hidden in measurement errors.


Since the DC values measured at the input change over time, you must integrate these calculations in order to have a correct measurement.

To calculate the average DC input power of your circuit the voltage and the current will have to be integrated over time.

 

The average power of a flyback in DCM for discontinuous conduction mode is calculated this way

since we are in pulsed DC not changing in polarity:


Average Power = Average Voltage X Average Current

 

 

a second formula in DCM if you know I peak is

I ave = 0.5 X D X I peak

first 0.5 is for half of square wave, because we have a triangle waveform and we take only half.

To find I peak

as you notice, we take into account here the duty cycle and the frequency T=1/f

 

With this formula of the average integrated current and the value of your inductance you can check if you have the right pulsed current value by doing the reverse calculation. Allow yourself a 5% margin of error due to inductor losses and parasistic inductance.

More simple for voltage calculation

note than in DC Rms and Ave have same value

V ave or Rms = Vin x square root of D

These two formulas well known to flyback manufacturers are derived from integration.

D stand for duty cycle

T = ! / frequency in usec

Lm is magnetisation inductance in uh

Vin = maximum input voltage

Jagau

Jagau posted this 30 August 2022

It is very important to make the difference in using the right formula.
When your circuit operates in CCM mode Chris provided you with a video and this is the one used,

 

 

If your circuit works in DCM , Like that of Melnichenko, the formula used is very different and this is the one used.

 

This formula is derived from an integration.

And the cuurent look like that,green curve. Photo provide by Itsu

 

 

You probably know that an inductor or a capacitor does not consume power because it is returned to the circuit.
It then becomes very difficult to calculate the input power of a flyback. Its instantaneous power can easily be found for a short period but for a long period it must be calculated in rms voltage equivalence in order to have an idea of the input power because the RMS voltage and current are defined based on the mean power: each one is derived from the square root of the mean power. 

 

The average power absorbed by a purely inductive circuit will always be equal to 0 watts
The instantaneous power of a purely inductive circuit can be calculated but will give us information on one cycle only and can change from moment to moment. As Chris has already discussed, this power can be positive as well as negative.
So you can see that it's not always easy to give the right answer as some people think, but we're working on it here.

Jagau

Jagau posted this 30 August 2022

Hi all

Maybe off topic but I wanted you to benefit from an excellent YT which was shared by birdeye on the other forum which I find very very instructive to study. Take a good look at how he handles the bicycle wheel.
It made me understand in a visual and very simple way, what is the Larmor frequency as well as other terms which will seem familiar to you, you will appreciate it I think.


There is an equally interesting sequel on his YT channel.

 

Jagau

Jagau posted this 01 September 2022

Hi Chris
I admit that it is not easy to understand, but when you dwell on it there is an explanation for all of this.

To make a real-life analogy, most large energy consumers face this problem. Especially those that use big powerful motors.
Fortunately there is a solution to this and it is called power factor correction. There is therefore a way not to lose everything that has been read by the standard meters in order to pay a fair bill to what it is meters read by correcting Cos phi.

 

The average power absorbed by a purely inductive circuit will always be equal to 0 watts

 

To come back to the example of Melnichenko's experiment, we are in the presence, at primary side, of a purely inductive circuit.
So the phase angle between the voltage and the current will be close to 90 degrees (in an ideal lossless xfo). But it is well known in the real world that there will be a small loss and most of that power will be returned to the input minus small losses.

So if we recover almost entirely the power lost, the actual consumption at the input will only be a few milliwatts (the lost).

Melnichenko, in order to recover this loss of power, placed an incandescent lamp in the primary and in this way he almost completely recovers the power in this incandescent lamp which otherwise would have been lost.


                                          But without any increase power at the input. 


There is no miracle here, it's just that he took Tesla's advice in a patent already mentioned earlier in this thread.

 

If you think this is the Melnichenko effect, that's not the melnichenko effect, then you misread this thread. Reread the principle of the separation of fields and the non additvity of waves.

Jagau

Jagau posted this 05 September 2022

Hi all

In the current project here, on the primary side the pulse on the primary (air core) produces negative energy as predicted by Lenz's law. The energy thus stored in the inductor produces this negative electricity and is almost entirely recovered by lighting the first lamp.
In addition, the air core is not magnetically linked to the other two ferromagnetic cores, which pick up the air core's magnetic fields for free with almost no magnetic link.


This is the first principle of the Melnichenko effect and it is called the principle of field separation. It is essential to fully understand this basic principle before going any further.

Jagau

thaelin posted this 07 September 2022

@Jag

   I am ready to wind up the coils. Will use the rods I have for now and order ferrite from a local source here. I am a bit unsure of the turns count tho. I have a 4" form and 3 layers on it with 50 turns is only 2.7" . Is 50 enough or should I go more and double that for the inside coil? 

thay

 

Jagau posted this 02 May 2022

To help you build, I offer you the first part of the circuit in order to arrive at the final circuit.
If you succeed in this very important first part, the sequel will come for the Melnichenko effect.
You will notice the position of the IGBT and that of the two different masses that I had already mentioned in a previous post.
The proposed circuit

When the circuit is in operation, if you remove the lamp, the power at the input does not change, but the accumulation of energy in the capacitor is very fast and high, that is why it takes a capacitor in the around 10,000 uf. Melnicehnko advised 2 x 6000uf.
so be careful, this is not a circuit for beginners.

Jagau

SonOfLuck posted this 07 June 2022

I just want to leave this(the original thread's pdf version) here:
Melnichenko's Effect 

Chris posted this 07 June 2022

Thanks SonOfLuck!

I still don't know what happened to this thread, however, whatever happened, it is now able to be rebuilt and read from scratch thanks to SonOfLucks PDF!

What a great team we have!

I have the thread in Backup, but I cant restore without loosing other information.

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Chris posted this 08 June 2022

Thanks to a few Members / Readers manual Backups, I have been able to restore this thread from those manual Backups without making any major changes to the database and loosing other Posts and threads!

I am still working on Images and Post specifics, so this is still a work in progress!

I bet Jagau will be happy as many other readers will also!

Thank You All, this is great to see!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

P.S: Please feel free to edit your own posts if you see it needs attention!

Chris posted this 12 June 2022

My Friends,

After all the work restoring this Thread after it suffered a catastrophic error, and its now stalled and stopped?

That's a bit disappointing!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Jagau posted this 14 June 2022

When the circuit was copied on the site it was too pale and conductors are missing this one is the good one

 

 
The second ground was barely visible. 

you'll notice there are two grounds in this circuit, so one doesn't affect the other, it's a modified flyback.

Jagau

Jagau posted this 02 July 2022

I made correction for member calculator

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Chris posted this 10 July 2022

My Friends,

I believe we see more strife:

Doing some more accurate measurements on this new setup which includes L2 and its load see above post #2

Ref: Itsu's A Melnichenko effect replication

 

Now, I am sorry, but Itsu is no where near the mark! There is problem after problem after problem seen here!

Itsu states:

Input power:   4.71W  see screenshot 1

 

and we see:

 

 

Still Itsu is using RMS Voltage and Current Measurements, this is wrong and can not be used! This is NOT how you measure DC Input! This is In-accurate! Very Wrong!

 

Itsu's wave forms:

 

Itsu's waveforms are not inline with ours! I have no idea what itsu is doing! I mean, this is VERY Important to get right!

Of course, a bit of the Sawtooth waveform is seen clearly in Jagau's Screenshot, all three traces, it's not present at all in Itsu's!

Jagau showed early on:

 

 

Totally different Waveform, Totally different Effects! Totally Outside of the guidelines Jagau has set out... And Itsu is showing final measurements saying:

So this present setup with L2 does not show any special effect, but there are several tuning options which can be explored.

 

Sorry Itsu, your Work shows nothing special, this is certain!!! Your work, however, is NOT what Jagau has been showing everyone, you're comparing Apples and Oranges!

I am sorry, but the terrible attention to detail, when making a representation to our work, really does frustrate me beyond belief!

Itsu has not accurately replicated what we are showing!

Hmmmm, Accurate? No, not at all !!!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Jagau posted this 12 July 2022

 

Hi all

As for the dimensions of the core, I refer you to line 009 of the attached document.

There is no ready-made formula, it is through experimentation that we find.

You have to work a little to succeed and it's those who work who succeed, not those who only copy.

 

A few years ago Adrian S. Nastase Phd Electronic engeenering said:You can think of it like this: 

You can think of it like this: A pulse signal with its amplitude between 0 and Vp (its peak value)and a duty-cycle d, has the average value:
VpulseAverage = d*Vp

Jagau

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Chris posted this 12 July 2022

My Friends,

I am sad to report, the response from Itsu is not a sensible, logical approach:

For Chris,

the beauty of power measurements with a scope is that the scope does not care what kind of signal it has, DC, AC, peak, square, sinuous etc.
It just takes millions  of samples of the signals (not rms, not mean, not ...) from its buffer and multiply (in this case) those instantaneously getting millions instantaneous power values which then get averaged (mean) presenting the average power across that buffer.

So nobody is using rms value's to calculate power, those rms value's you see on the voltage and current are JUST a representation of the signals measured by the scope, it does NOT use them for calculating power.

I don't pretend to be a guru in anything, so please anyone with extended knowledge on scope power measurement techniques step forward and either confirm, deny and/or improve on my above statement.


Concerning the dimensions of L2, i did use several different L2's, see above post #7, but all shows similar output value's (65 to 160mW), so i hope Jagau can shed some light on what dimensions he uses to get cop > 1.

Regards Itsu
   
Itsu

Ref: A Melnichenko effect replication

 

I understand what you are saying Itsu, I understand very well how a Scope works, Thank You.

Your Scope is taking the RMS Values for that Channel:

 

You are averaging: Instantaneous V RMS x I RMS = P in Watts

  1. 1.657 V RMS
  2. 267.4 mA RMS

 

Which is Wrong! You cant do it this way, not on DC Input! I know this scope shot is not your Input... But using this as an example.

Very simply, compare a Sinusoidal Waveform with each channel, one Mean and one RMS, the difference will amaze you! I have already shown this in the: Measurements Thread, if you go and Read it!

However, any setting on RMS means you have the Scope Calculating RMS for the Buffer Size across the data points captured. 

 

RMS is Specifically designed for AC, Alternating Current Only! It can NOT be used for DC, Direct Current, at all.

RMS or root mean square current/voltage of the alternating current/voltage represents the d.c. current/voltage that dissipates the same amount of power as the average power dissipated by the alternating current/voltage. For sinusoidal oscillations, the RMS value equals peak value divided by the square root of 2.

 

Ref: RMS Current

 

The Oscilloscope will take the RMS Value, if you capture the RMS Value, again, which is wrong! Please do the Math!

The term “RMS” stands for “Root-Mean-Squared”. Most books define this as the “amount of AC power that produces the same heating effect as an equivalent DC power”, or something similar along these lines, but an RMS value is more than just that.

Ref: RMS Voltage Tutorial

 

Its a real shame, because not a single measurement can be accurately represented, unless the Correct Data Points are Calculated! Its sadly a fact, that these are the same people, telling Itsu how to measure incorrectly, that have been telling everyone for decades, that their Measurement Data is wrong! I can show you thread after thread that states that you should use RMS on a DC Source, when you absolutely Should NOT !!!

Ask yourself, why have they insisted on RMS for so long? Is it a means to falsify the Data just in case others did get something of Value? 

RMS can NEVER Measure any Negative Power, RMS is ALWAYS Positive, never accounting for any Reverse Currents! It Should NOT be used on DC if one wants Accurate Measurements! Should we not expect measurements to be accurate if measurements are to be given?

For those providing Measurements, they should be providing accurate Measurements, that are in-line, with Industry Standard Definitions, and Defined Values and Guidelines!

I have provided the evidence, the proof is right here, with References, if you persist to make in-accurate measurements, I can no longer assist.

This is Jagau's Thread and I do not wish to waste any more resources on his Thread, Sorry Jagau!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Chris posted this 15 July 2022

Hey SonOfLuck,

Some good points there! I am running an experiment at the moment. Long winded math to show the RMS and Mean are totally different Math Problems and that RMS should not be used on DC or even Pulsed DC Systems, in General.

If you look at the Pro's, Graham Gunderson, he uses Mean:

 

Graham Gunderson is a very high level Electronics Engineer in my opinion, he has worked in many High level positions and is a professional at what he does.

TinselKoala, TK has a very extensive history in Metrology and he uses Mean, recommends to NOT use RMS:

which generates an instantaneous power waveform, then take the _average_  (not RMS) value of that IP waveform.

Ref: Accurate Measurements on pulsed system's harder than you think.

Interesting read, observe Names and Recommendations for more insight!

 

I have to agree, when you say:

From this it's seems like RMS is king, but we don't need to go far to see that's not truly the case.
itsu measurment

Here the RMS V and A multiplication gives different W than the measured and averaged value, 381mW vs 442mW.

 

Its not hard to show mathematically, that RMS is not always Correct! However, like Jagau said:

It is very very important that this applies that in the case of a square wave which does not go down below 0 volts, it is always positive. If you have a square wave varying from plus to minus you should not use this formula.

 

Generally, RMS and Mean, in most Positive going V and I, the Values will be pretty similar. I showed this in my video here:

 

RMS is an AC, Alternating Current Calculation:

 

For DC and Pulsed DC Systems, generally Mean or Average Should be Used. This is especially true when one has a Non-Linear Load.

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Jagau posted this 17 July 2022

Hi Chris
Sorry for the long return, very busy with my family these days.
In the meantime, what we are doing here is very important, we will establish the basics of a simple but effective calculation for our projects like this. There is no forum on the planet that has actually done to date.
Let's be patient and take the time to find the solid and certain formula.
I will make other comments later to discuss this very interesting point.
jagau

Chris posted this 31 July 2022

@Itsu,

You need to study what CSA or Cross Sectional Area is! How it works and why its IMPORTANT!

You're wasting your time with this:

Ref: WTF Man?

I really don't know why some people persist with something that is not going to work!

 

If you happened to study Melnichenko, you would see, as I have already told you, the Core is about three times bigger:

 

СВОБОДНАЯ ГЕНЕРАЦИЯ Андрей Мельниченко translates to: FREE GENERATION Andrey Melnichenko

Andrey Melnichenko's YouTube Channel is: www.youtube.com / channel/UCEtqI2EhN32Mvq7Wp5G9Vpg/videos

Andrey Melnichenko's Core is about three times the size of Itsu's at minimum!

A Replication requires some Attention to Detail!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Jagau posted this 01 August 2022

Hi friends
Back from a trip, I will take the time to read, a little late to resume.
Jagau

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